Ep 611: Changing the Pain Management Approach with Mike Hammond

What if pain relief didn’t require medications, injections, or invasive procedures?

In this episode of The Health Fix Podcast, Dr. Jannine Krause sits down with Mike Hammond to explore the groundbreaking world of Signal Relief technology, a non-invasive, drug-free approach designed to help reduce pain and inflammation by interacting with the body’s electrical signaling system.

Mike shares emotional real-life stories from people whose lives were transformed by this technology, explains the science behind neuro-capacitive coupling and microcurrent signaling, and discusses how innovations in frequency-based therapies may shape the future of pain management.

If you struggle with chronic pain, inflammation, recovery issues, or are curious about alternative health technologies, this episode dives deep into a fascinating new frontier in wellness.

About Mike Hammond

Mike Hammond is passionate about advancing innovative, non-invasive pain management solutions through Signal Relief technology. His work focuses on helping people regain quality of life through wearable wellness technology designed to support the body’s natural electrical communication systems.

Resources From The Show:

• Signal Relief Official Website – enter HEALTH26 for $ off
• How Signal Relief Technology Works
• Dr. Jannine Krause and The Health Fix Podcast

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Podcast Transcript

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Pain Relief Innovations
02:51 Transformative Stories of Pain Relief
06:05 The Impact of Pain on Life
09:01 The Technology Behind Pain Relief
11:45 Real-Life Applications and Experiences
14:52 Understanding the Mechanism of Pain Relief
17:52 Practical Use of Pain Relief Patches
19:14 The Impact of Inflammation and Pain Relief
22:02 Innovative Solutions for Chronic Pain
25:23 Transformative Stories of Healing
28:39 Understanding Frequency and Energy in Healing
32:06 Practical Applications and Lifestyle Integration
37:02 The Intersection of Eastern and Western Medicine

Jannine Krause (00:00.908)
Mike Hammond, welcome to the Health Fix Podcast.

MIKE Hammond (00:04.747)
How are ya?

Jannine Krause (00:06.414)
I’m, we’re having fun so far. I am looking forward to talking about signal relief, but also talking about what can happen when we don’t have the brain hijacked from pain noise, as I like to call it. People are saying food noise or all that. I’m like, let’s go with pain noise today. So we got lots to ask, but first and foremost, you know, I was reading on your website, looking at, you know, your backstory and the thing that caught me the most. And I would love to hear maybe one story, maybe a compilation of what you see.

MIKE Hammond (00:29.93)
Uh-huh.

Jannine Krause (00:35.842)
But what happens in that moment when someone realizes they don’t have pain? That for me in my office is always like a, ooh, this is so good. Share with us that moment in which and how that is your mission here to try to help folks.

MIKE Hammond (00:54.933)
Well, I’ll tell you what, this is so, you probably noticed when you dug in, I have like 14 companies right now. This is like the most fun. This is my favorite one by a mile and it’s because of what it does for people. I have probably three separate little stories that kind of illustrate. Pain is so much deeper than I think what people actually think because.

Jannine Krause (01:03.65)
Busy guy.

MIKE Hammond (01:22.015)
when you actually are dealing with it every day, it’s the only thing you focus on. It’s all consuming for the people that are actually in a lot of it and it never goes away. I had a buddy, he was the first person I ever gave a patch to actually, was my friend from high school. And his name was Matt. And when we were both in our 20s, he was in a logging accident. So in 2000, we wore those MC Hammer pants with the drawstrings on the bottom, remember those?

Jannine Krause (01:51.073)
Yes, yes I do.

MIKE Hammond (01:51.659)
Well, he was working in those and the wind was blowing and it blew his string into a stump grinder and sucked his leg through it. And so he lost his leg from the knee down and just been in a ton of pain, but he left to California and then he came back to Idaho and I ran into him at a football game. How you doing? First thing he said, not very good, man. My leg still hurts. So you can just tell it’s the first thing he’s thinking. Only thing he’s thinking about. I was like, that’s too bad.

Jannine Krause (01:59.416)
Ugh.

MIKE Hammond (02:21.832)
And I noticed that he’s not doing, have you been hiking? He’s like, no, I can’t hike. Have you been riding your bike? Cause he used to ride a dirt bike everywhere. He dirt bike all the time. And he was like, no man, I don’t ride bikes. He’s like, my leg hurts all the time. And I’m like, dude, I got something I want you to come try out. Well, he’s a nurse practitioner. So he’s thinking, I already know, like I don’t need your help. I know what would, there’s nothing that will help my leg. And so he just had a pain pump installed that pumps morphine to the spine.

and it was a hundred thousand dollar pump that they put in his stomach. And that was the best thing he’d had, but he still hurt all the time. And so he eventually came to my office and let me put a patch on. And what’s interesting, this is the patch I used with him. I didn’t even have to put it on his skin because you know how your leg goes in the prosthetic? I put it on the outside of the prosthetic cause that’s still in the electrical grid.

Jannine Krause (03:14.67)
Mm-hmm.

MIKE Hammond (03:19.55)
which you understand as an acupuncturist what that means, right? And instantly, 10 seconds, his shoulders start shaking, he looks up, tears are coming down both eyes, he’s like, I don’t feel any pain. And the emotion of it tells you a bigger story than what the words ever do, right? He couldn’t believe that it was actually gone. What really hit me though is when I turned around, because I was excited.

Jannine Krause (03:22.08)
Yeah. Yeah.

MIKE Hammond (03:46.625)
to see his wife and he had two of his twins there that were ninth graders at the time. They were all crying. They were just bawling. And it was like within seconds. you’re like, it didn’t just affect him, it affected the whole family, probably the way he reacted with them all the time, what they were really going through. And you just change that family dynamic instantly. And what’s interesting now is he’s bought a horse.

I do a lot of riding up in the mountains. He rides with me now, he hikes, we hunt, he’s dirt biking again. Like he’s doing everything now because he’s able to move past what he used to just be dealing with every day. And I know in our brains, we tell people all the time, well, you just gotta be tough. You gotta move past it. It’s kind of like the thing. Well, you can’t sometimes when it’s bad. And I don’t think most of us understand what people are really going through. We saw this again with a veteran.

I actually was a speaker at Maha back in July at the Microsoft building and We were talking about our patch and I went right after one of Bill Gates partners had built This really cool device that you stick in the house and it scans though It can go through the walls and the floors and you know how we have those little pendants for old people So they they’re like they fall down they can hit the button and it will call 9-1-1

Jannine Krause (05:10.552)
Yeah. Yeah.

MIKE Hammond (05:10.784)
So this will scan you, you don’t have to wear that, and it follows you through the whole house, and it has your breathing, your vitals, your blood flow, it has all your vitals. And then you fall down, it calls 911 and sends them all your vitals. I was like, that’s pretty cool. No standing ovation, normal. You got a bunch of senators in the room, bunch of people, nothing happens. Then we get up. I show them the patch. All I did was show a video that we had gotten. It was just, it was a total by chance video.

where I was at Walmart and I actually saw a veteran and he had this sign, and we’re right by Yellowstone National Park, and so he had this sign saying, help me get, I need money to get to the vet hospital in Montana, because it’s in Bozeman. And I saw someone hold out a $20 bill out their window. He stood up and I noticed he had one leg and one that was prosthetic.

He took one step grabbed his leg and sat back down He was like it hurt too bad and then the car drove off I was like, okay that guy’s in a lot of pain So I ran to the office because my employees hear stories But it’s hard to like I wanted them to see it real life So I grabbed eight of my employees and we ran back to the gas station Well, one of my employees pulled out their cell phone and recorded it which wasn’t expecting and we walk up to this veteran and

Jannine Krause (06:20.814)
All right.

MIKE Hammond (06:35.72)
I’m just like, how you doing? And first thing, same thing. He goes, I’m not good. And I go, well, what happened? And he goes, he goes, Vietnam. And I go, what would you do in Vietnam? And he goes, submarine explosion. He’s like, I lost my leg. And I go, how’s it been? And he goes, dude, I haven’t slept one day in 30 years. He’s like, it hurts so bad. And I said, well, I have a patch I want to put on your leg. I want to see if it works. It helped my friend. I want to see if it helps you. So.

They have on video me putting it on his prosthetic and then he goes, it’s like in 15 seconds. He’s like, that’s crazy, it doesn’t hurt anymore. And I go, why don’t you walk? He goes, I can’t walk. You don’t understand, I can’t walk. I said, why don’t you just try? So he gets up out of his wheelchair, he takes two steps, turns around, takes one step, turns around, looks right at us. Tears come down both eyes and he salutes us. So the best part of the video is we’re like, we’re so excited.

And we get back to the office and my employee’s like, hey, I recorded the whole thing. We watch it we’re like, that’s awesome. We got to go get a thing signed, a release sign so we can use this. This is awesome. So we go back and when we get back, he’s running around his chair and he looks up and he’s like, can you believe this? This is so awesome. Can you believe this? And we changed, like you realize he’s homeless because of what he’s been dealing with.

Jannine Krause (07:52.979)
my god.

Jannine Krause (08:03.054)
Right. Right.

MIKE Hammond (08:04.095)
And his life got changed in 10 seconds. And so when we talk about pain, like I feel like in so many instances, people stop living their life when they’re dealing with it. They stop believing that it can ever be normal. They stop having fun because they’re just so consumed with what they’re dealing with all day long that never goes away. And we can give that back.

people and that’s it’s just a mission I mean it’s like it’s everything we want to do as a company so we love it it’s the coolest product ever.

Jannine Krause (08:37.166)
You know, just what you said, I mean, so many things resonate with me because, you know, of course being an acupuncturist, but also just when you ask people how they’re doing, if it is a pain thing, it is always going to be not good. That is like the two words that always come out. You are so right. And yes, it just kind of comes that way. And my goodness with the veteran. Wow. Has anyone tracked him? Do you know what happened?

MIKE Hammond (08:51.551)
Yeah.

MIKE Hammond (09:02.471)
No idea. In fact, I’ve thought about doing that just to actually follow back up with him. And I’ve had so many experiences like that. Like veterans are just so, they hit hard, right? Right here. I had another one where I was driving. I actually went to drop off a bunch of my cattle to get butchered, which people probably don’t want to hear. And it was like a two hour drive, right? Yeah.

Jannine Krause (09:26.318)
We eat meat somehow.

MIKE Hammond (09:30.343)
And so I’m coming back from that with my horse trailer and I’m actually a really healthy guy. I hate eating fast food. I hate it. But I get this feeling. There’s like a Burger King on the side of the freeway. about two and a half hours from home. I’m getting ready to get back on the freeway. And I’m like, you need to go to Burger King and get a burger. I’m like, yeah, I want to get a burger Burger King. And then it hits me again. No, you need to go to Burger King and get a burger.

So I do like a 20 point turn with a horse trailer. It’s like such a pain to like turn around and go back. But I go back into this gas station, get into the line and I’m like, I don’t want this, I’m leaving. And I notice a guy and it was another veteran with one leg standing in line. And there’s seven people in the line.

and then it’s in those gas stations. So you have one person taking the order, right? There’s like no employees behind the counter. Well, two people go after like 10 minutes and he just gets out of line and sits down. And then I go up to him and I say, hey, do you need me to get your order? And in my head, I’m like, that’s why I felt like I needed to be here. And he’s like, dude.

Jannine Krause (10:47.532)
You

MIKE Hammond (10:49.917)
He’s like, thank you so much. That would be so helpful. He’s like, I’ve tried to get in this line three times, but I just can’t stand in it long enough to get up there to get my order. So I was thinking, that’s it. So I go get his order, bring it back to him, sit down with him and I’m like, how’s life been? And he’s like, it’s tough. And I go, dude, I noticed you have a amputated leg. Did you do that in war? And he’s like, yeah, I lost it in the army. And he’s like.

And I’m like, dude, how’s it been, man? Like, does it hurt? And he goes, man, does it ever hurt? He goes, I actually just lost my wife. He’s like, honestly, she’s been with me for 35 years and she just left me. And I was like, I’m really sorry. And he’s like, no, it’s a good thing. He’s like, honest truth is I’m a miserable person to be with. He’s like, I’m always in pain.

Jannine Krause (11:32.11)
Ugh.

MIKE Hammond (11:48.722)
I’m hurting like I totally get what happened with her and he’s like, life’s just hard and I said, hey, I’ve got something I want you to try. So I run out to the truck, grab a patch, come back, stick the patch on his leg. Same thing, shoulders start shaking, tears come down his eyes. goes, you don’t understand what just happened. I go, what? He goes, I was on my knees this morning praying and I said, God.

kill me today or let this pain go away but I don’t want to live it anymore. I’m tired of living with this. dude, it’s just, again, I think in so many ways people that are really dealing with it because these are the extreme circumstances, but there’s a ton of people that have that. They lose hope. They don’t think there’s any, like why even live anymore with.

Jannine Krause (12:36.76)
Mm-hmm.

MIKE Hammond (12:44.733)
what they’re dealing with every day. And I don’t think a lot of us, like we have a backache or a knee ache, we don’t really get. But what I’ve realized actually through probably 150 of these experiences is that I don’t understand or get how bad it is for them because it’s all consuming. And so it’s life changing. the way that we created this, it’s by total accident. The story behind this is so cool. And it’s like the coolest thing out there.

Jannine Krause (12:50.904)
Great.

Jannine Krause (13:11.182)
Tell us.

MIKE Hammond (13:14.175)
So 2012 I’m selling a company to Dish. In 2004 when I graduated college I actually was an entrepreneur. I started a company called Dish One. It became the largest retailer in the United States and then it got bought by Dish Network in 2012. Well when they bought it all my buddies from MBA school

call me and they’re like, you need to invest in this, you need to, they’re all trying to get me to, you know what I mean, everyone comes after the money once you got it. And so I’m like, one of my buddies actually was one of my best friends, he’s a Marriott and he runs a manufacturing plant for the Marriott, it’s called Spectre Symbol. And he said, hey, I’m working on a tech right now for the military that you should invest in, it’s really cool, you gotta come check it out. at the time I’m in,

Jannine Krause (13:56.75)
Okay.

MIKE Hammond (14:07.73)
Denver and Charlie Ergen has eight of his engineers come with me to Heber, Utah to go check out this antenna tech because he was getting into cell phones at the time right with dish and so I meet these inventors and What they were doing is they were they had a project with the Department of Defense to in 2012 when they deployed a team in Navy Sills One guy had a five-foot antenna and an 80 pound backpack to communicate back to base like they had to carry that everywhere

Jannine Krause (14:37.454)
Wow.

MIKE Hammond (14:37.49)
So like you look at the old movies like alone and you’ll see the guy carrying that around, right? And he’s like running up to the top of the hill trying to set the antenna back up. it’s just, that was the world back then. Well, these guys had figured out how to shrink that down to the size of a credit card. And they did it by shifting the antenna to work on micro electric currents instead of magnetic. So instead of pointing an antenna in a direction, it was like a light bulb.

Jannine Krause (14:40.066)
Yes.

Right at the pack and everything.

Jannine Krause (14:55.683)
Wow.

Jannine Krause (15:06.702)
Mm-hmm.

MIKE Hammond (15:07.006)
And what we noticed is when we were putting those patches on the soldiers uniforms, the antennas, that it would start interacting. would pick up electrical frequency from the body. And so we were like, whoa, that’s literally how we fell into this. We were like, I wonder if we could actually, that’s the one what’s going on, we should be able to interact with other aspects of the body. And so I ended up taking that tech and we even built, we built new tech that even works better, but that’s where it started. And we.

we ended up building this antenna. And so all this patch is, is a collection of micro capacitors that interact with the body’s electrical grid. So you know this, but when you have pain, all it is is energy. So your nerves fire off energy and that energy follows your neuro pathway to your brain. So that’s what acupuncture you’re messing with the meridians resetting those energies imbalances.

Jannine Krause (15:57.442)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

MIKE Hammond (16:00.639)
When that energy hits our patch for 85 % of people, it’s easier for it to leave the body and go into the patch. It’s like a lightning rod. So when that energy hits the patch, it’s easier to go into the patch than to go up to the brain. Just like lightning hits a house, but if you put a lightning rod, the lightning will always go to the rod and into the ground, because that’s just what energy does, right? And so we’re able to turn, I mean,

at its source basically we can turn the aspects we can really dampen. for 85 % of people it’s an average decrease in pain of 60 % according to our clinicals that we’ve done. And it can be more for others but average is 60%. No medication, no goop, no wires. We’re not putting anything into the body. Therefore we don’t have side effects. And for a lot of people

Jannine Krause (16:46.542)
month.

MIKE Hammond (16:59.998)
It actually takes care of the stuff that current Western medicine had really has a hard time with and so It’s awesome. We love it. It’s pretty cool stuff And we’ve got a couple different versions. We’ve got these foot patches that we made that are so cool You just like plantar fasciitis or whatever you stick them right in your shoe, and then you just put your shoe on Boom gone. It’s so cool so

Jannine Krause (17:09.314)
Yeah. It’s,

MIKE Hammond (17:28.048)
It’s basically a battle’s discomfort better than anything else we know out there. And so we’re working on FDA approval to try and make it a medical product, but right now it’s just a health and wellness product and helps people deal with, it basically just helps them deal with the results of what pain causes, right? It’s not a fix, but it can definitely make it livable without medication, which is huge.

Jannine Krause (17:49.794)
Mm-hmm.

Jannine Krause (17:53.524)
Absolutely.

And so many people struggle to tolerate medication, know, and I’m kind of thinking of, you know, the average folks who maybe don’t have like prosthetic type of pain or amputee kind of pain, you know, you tweak your back, you’re out gardening, you hit it hard, you know, and you wake up the next morning, you’re like, what have I done? You could just throw the patch on and how long I think for a lot of people, they’re probably thinking like salon pass, right? Let’s let’s go to like the heat patches and things we throw those on, we feel a little better, we take them off, things come back.

How does it work when you put these on? Like what does it work in the moment? You know, how does someone expect to use it?

MIKE Hammond (18:25.779)
Yeah.

MIKE Hammond (18:31.196)
Dude, I have got something that will blow your mind actually. Let me grab it real quick. I’m gonna share it with you on the screen. all right.

Jannine Krause (18:36.362)
Okay. Okay.

MIKE Hammond (18:48.875)
Let’s see… here it is.

Jannine Krause (18:48.962)
give you permission.

MIKE Hammond (18:54.622)
Okay.

MIKE Hammond (18:58.76)
Share.

MIKE Hammond (19:02.814)
Share window.

MIKE Hammond (19:12.99)
Okay, can you see that?

Jannine Krause (19:15.075)
Can yeah, yeah, there it is. Okay,

MIKE Hammond (19:17.616)
So this is actually thermography of someone’s back. So you can see basically white is really bad, red is next, and then yellow, green, blue, right? So in an injury, there’s always a lot of inflammation and heat, and that’s what red and white signals is inflammation and heat. So look at the dates and times. This is the same person. So you’ll notice we put a patch on them at 210.

Jannine Krause (19:44.065)
Okay.

MIKE Hammond (19:44.498)
The same day at 251, 40 minutes later, look how much inflammation is gone. The next one is three days later. So you can see that not only is it affecting right where the patch is, but look at all the area around it, how much better all of it’s starting to look. And then the bottom one is the neck. So you put the patch on the neck, and then three days later, look, there’s nothing red left, but look what happened to the back, where the patch wasn’t even placed.

Jannine Krause (20:11.79)
It just…

MIKE Hammond (20:14.277)
Isn’t that cool? So…

Jannine Krause (20:15.842)
That is neat. I mean, it’s following nerve pathways of the trigger points. That’s cool.

MIKE Hammond (20:21.117)
Yeah, yeah. And so it’s really cool. And that’s what we’re noticing with the patch actually, is it takes on average about 15 minutes. As you noticed with the really bad people, it’s like quick, like 15 to 20 seconds, and they’re noticing it already, gone. But 15 minutes on average, and again.

I actually use it every single day because I had a back that was sore all the time and I just wear it every day because when I have it on I have zero sore back. And so what we’ve noticed is when you get rid of the energy that causes inflammation, the inflammation almost leaves immediately. That’s what you saw in the thermography. And so not only does the back not ache anymore, but all your flexibility and movement comes back. This is like what?

Jannine Krause (20:52.141)
Hmm.

Jannine Krause (21:00.983)
Yeah.

MIKE Hammond (21:09.275)
so many people struggle with. And for women, one of the cool ones we have is this Jovi patch we made. Menstrual cramps, right? Gone. It’s awesome. For 85 % of people, gone. And you don’t have to take all the medication. We actually did a trial with over 80 women in the endometriosis society. There’s like a group of them. And they tried it out and…

Jannine Krause (21:20.493)
Wow.

Jannine Krause (21:34.85)
Mm-hmm.

MIKE Hammond (21:37.021)
At first I was like, why isn’t it working? it’s because I didn’t understand endometriosis because the average decrease was only 40%. And I’m like, well, that’s not working because it’s over 60 usually. And he’s like, dude, that’s better than we’ve ever seen ever with endometriosis. And I was like, wow. And so it’s just this it’s a really cool product. I think if anyone is sitting home and they’re struggling and they’re dealing with any kind of chronic anything.

What do you have to lose with this thing? Because A, you get it at a discount, right, with you. They’re giving you a code to help all your people out. But B, it’s a money back guarantee and you know within minutes. And I think we give you 40 days before you have to return it. We don’t get very many back. They always work. But for 15 % of people, they actually don’t. And so we had to pick basically, it’s interacting with a frequency, an energy frequency.

And some people broadcast a little bit different where it just has a harder time. But for 85 % of people, it’s almost immediate and you’ll notice it right away. They fill it warm up. That’s the key. you fill it warming up, it’s absorbing that energy and it’s working. And so I just think people should use it. mean, we’re doing trials right now with the UFC. They’re like floored. We made one for the face that they can stick on after they get their face pounded.

Jannine Krause (23:02.67)
wow.

MIKE Hammond (23:02.833)
And it’s like, she’s like, this is so awesome. Cause it just takes out the A, it stops hurting B, the inflammation leaves so the body can start healing quicker. Right. And so we’ve had a lot of athletes using it for injuries like quad injuries, the soccer national soccer team in Mexico. What said it went from 30 days on average for a quad injury to only seven days to heal. Just cause it gets rid of the inflammation. And so it’s really applicable for a lot of stuff. It’s really only doing one thing, but.

It’s crazy how many things that affects. So here’s a story that’s nuts that I’ll tell you. And this you’ll understand this as an acupuncture doctor. I ran into a kid here in Idaho. He was from Tennessee and he had cerebral palsy. And I know I’m saying it wrong. I, I can’t pronounce it right. But cerebral palsy and he, he basically hadn’t ever felt in his life, anything below the knee. So

Jannine Krause (23:38.542)
Okay.

MIKE Hammond (24:02.022)
In my brain, because when we were dealing with the military tech, with an electrical antenna, our biggest issue was keeping noise out of the area, because if there was too much noise, we couldn’t get a signal from A to B. So we had to build these antennas to try and focus in on a certain range to ignore the noise, right? So in my mind, I was like, why can’t he feel anything below the knee? There’s obviously…

Jannine Krause (24:15.149)
Mm-hmm.

MIKE Hammond (24:30.043)
the communication is not getting past the knee. So I was like, wonder if we just put this between his shoulder blades on that main vagus nerve, if it would pull out some noise and if you got enough noise pulled out, if it would start to connect. It was like just an idea I had. So I put it on his back. He calls me at midnight. Mike, this is crazy. My toes are tingling. Should I take it off? My toes are tingling. I’m like.

This is where I’m like an amateur like I’m not a doctor right because I’m like no man keep it on I probably should have been like yeah, you should take it off and talk to your doctor. I was like no you should keep it on Well 9 a.m. He calls me. He’s like this is nuts. He goes I have fulfilling in my feet I’m like never felt my feet, but my feet have fulfilling this is like within 24 hours right and So the crazy thing is it’s now been four years for him

Jannine Krause (25:20.002)
Wow.

MIKE Hammond (25:26.247)
He’s married, he plays basketball. He obviously has issues still because of the growing up that way, right? But he’s doing stuff now. He just did summer cells door to door pest control all summer. And all he does is wear that patch in the middle of his back. It changes his whole life. And when he takes it off, it starts to lose feeling. But as long as he has that patch on, fulfilling in his feet, which again, I’m not a doctor, so I don’t understand.

Jannine Krause (25:44.195)
Wow.

MIKE Hammond (25:56.239)
I know what our patch is doing, which is soaking up that noise. But it’s sometimes with, and we’ve had numerous examples of this by the way now, like a lot, is I think sometimes when you pull out enough noise out of the body, everything else starts to work normal again. And I think like fibromyalgia is probably a result of that same thing. You get so many things broken and wrong, creates so much noise that all of sudden everything starts hurting, right?

Jannine Krause (26:02.786)
Yeah.

Jannine Krause (26:15.885)
Yeah.

MIKE Hammond (26:26.352)
We’ve had numerous fibromyalgia patients be like, it was so weird, I put your patch on and three days later my pain went away. So it like took three days. That’s not normal for us three days, right? But it’s like almost like you pulled enough noise out and then the body started to correct itself on its own. And those are things that we really wanna like when we raise more money, we’d love to do more testing on and really figure out because they’re just anecdotal stories that come in.

Jannine Krause (26:36.184)
Yeah.

MIKE Hammond (26:55.428)
And then we have, obviously we have to do a lot of verifying behind it, but I think it tells you a lot of what you were just saying that pain is energy, it’s noise. You can pull that noise out, but sometimes just pulling some noise out of the body makes other things able to start functioning normal again. So it’s really applicable. I feel like this is something that everyone should have in their medicine cabinet in every home, because if this does work and you don’t have to take all the pills,

Jannine Krause (26:55.448)
Yeah.

Jannine Krause (27:21.037)
No.

Jannine Krause (27:26.926)
Yeah. Yeah.

MIKE Hammond (27:27.91)
How much better is that for you and your kids? mean, how many, we’re dealing with so much opioid addiction now, you don’t even have to go there for a lot of people. And so, yeah, it’s awesome. Everyone should go to signalrelief.com and check it out, cause it’s really cool.

Jannine Krause (27:43.983)
Of course, that is his website, guys. One of the things I would say, Mike, just something to back up on the proof, let’s say, has anyone done any functional MRIs on anyone while they put a patch on to see what was lightin’ up in the brain and what was happening in the brain in terms of signaling?

MIKE Hammond (28:01.597)
But we have University of Utah that is going to start doing that for us. Which I think would be really cool. So.

Jannine Krause (28:06.475)
Excellent.

Yeah, yeah, I would love to see that. I would love to see like a combination, because this is just my brain going, okay, those folks that have different signals, the 15 % that aren’t getting results, I’m going, if they’re vibrating in a different frequency, because maybe they’re just so beat down, or maybe, who knows, right? Maybe whatever it may be, could there be something else that could be added into that? And then a functional MRI would show like the full picture. I don’t know.

MIKE Hammond (28:26.684)
Mm-hmm.

MIKE Hammond (28:33.276)
totally things we’re working on. We’re like, those are all things we have right now on the docket of, hey, we should figure this out. But then the medical world’s like, but you don’t understand 85 % is better than almost anything out there. Like that’s crazy. Yeah, yeah. And so it’s great where it’s at, but yeah, those are things we wanna figure out. And a lot of that 15 % isn’t that it doesn’t work.

Jannine Krause (28:45.846)
Every medical trial, I mean…

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MIKE Hammond (28:59.418)
It’s just not the same. They might only slightly. It’s like barely, it’s just having a hard time interacting, right? And for those people, we’ll give them their money back. We don’t even want, if this isn’t working.

Jannine Krause (29:01.582)
it.

Jannine Krause (29:12.823)
Right.

MIKE Hammond (29:14.79)
try something else. Our goal is just to give people their life back period and this is such an affordable thing. get how long this works. I don’t know if I’ve said that. This can be worn every day for a year. Every day for a year. And so when you look at like 150 bucks for every day for a year, that’s 50 cents a day to not have pain. It’s crazy. It’s not expensive at all.

Jannine Krause (29:27.95)
Wow.

Jannine Krause (29:40.395)
I was.

MIKE Hammond (29:42.426)
And it’s cheaper for your, I don’t know what your code was, but I know that your code gave you another 30 or 40 bucks off. It’s so affordable for people. So it’s cool.

Jannine Krause (29:43.15)
We go for it.

Jannine Krause (29:52.064)
Absolutely. It’s it is neat. I’m I’m excited to try it and get to try it out before this and I do have a disc injury that definitely talks to me every so often. So I do want to test it out. Now, here’s the next question I have because I got a lot of active folks. I like to swim. I like to, you know, do outdoor activities. What what happens when you sweat? What happens when you’re swimming? Do you take it off and put it back on? Do you does it stay on? What happened?

MIKE Hammond (30:19.866)
Yeah, when I’m swimming, I take it off, take it on, sweat won’t affect it. It’s encapsulated between two layers of, it’s like we call it soft touch, but so it’s water resistant. Washing machines can ruin it, but outside of that, it’s pretty water, water resistant. Hiking, this is a great one because you can just stick them in your shoes and roll. And you noticed how it affected the whole body over time. And so

Jannine Krause (30:44.365)
Yeah.

Jannine Krause (30:48.247)
Yes.

MIKE Hammond (30:49.82)
Like we had an older guy, he was like 80 and his back was really bad. Where he just, couldn’t bend over, move a whole lot. And he had that, you know, that pain that goes down your leg from your back when you get older. Yep, sciatic. He put it in his back pocket and it took like two days cause he’s not right on it, right? But after two days, every time his pain would completely go away and his aches would go away. He’d take it out of his pocket.

Jannine Krause (31:02.094)
Yep, the sciatica.

MIKE Hammond (31:18.204)
because he’s like, I’m good. And then it would come back over two days and he’d stick it back in his pocket. And so again, like you saw in that thing, it slowly, these are awesome because you just put them in your shoe. You don’t have to think about them again. You just put your shoes on, right? Which is awesome. We invented these actually for someone I can’t probably say, but in DC, one of the cabinet members actually had plantar fasciitis for six years. It was really hurting.

Jannine Krause (31:33.528)
Yeah. Yeah.

MIKE Hammond (31:47.36)
And we built those for him and his doctor texts me literally the very next day and was like, hey, we need to get our own set of trials going at Georgetown. His pain’s completely gone for the first time in six years. This is crazy. And so there’s a lot of really cool stuff on the docket that we’re trying to figure out and work on. But it’s a great way to deal with just the effects of pain, right? The lifestyle effects, why you fix the problem.

That’s the other thing, this doesn’t fix the issue like you have a back problem. You’ll put this on, it might go away. Well, you still have to get the disc healthy. You still have to live a healthy life, probably eliminate sugar that causes inflammation and do things to get your body optimally healthy. But what’s cool is it takes off, it basically allows you to do that, right? It’s hard to do that when you can’t move. And so that’s it, yeah.

Jannine Krause (32:41.486)
100 % 100 % Yeah, yeah No in my space and looking at it as it’s a great tool to have while you are doing the lifestyle things Let you know yes the activity but also just having the wherewithal to cook for yourself You know to be able to stand to cook to to do all of the regular activities of daily living that wouldn’t happen if you didn’t have that reduced amount of pain, so

Huge stuff here. So we definitely guys, I will share the code in the podcast notes that drjcrossnd.com, but we got to say signal relief. just SIG NAL relief.com. And and we’ll get the we’ll get the discount code out there. Is that the best place for folks to keep tabs on what’s new? Or do you guys update things on Instagram or socials?

MIKE Hammond (33:22.863)
Yes, yes, so all the new you’ll see all the new signal stuff and jovi stuff on that website And we’ve got some really cool stuff coming out too in the next few Like people that have major bad back surgeries and stuff that We’ve had we have a sledgehammer coming out. That’s like because the more bigger it is the more energy it can absorb and I mean we got really cool stuff coming like we

There’s so many stories I wanna tell you and I’m like, maybe I can’t say that till we’re FDA medical device, but as a health and wellness product, I’ve gotta stay, but it’s really cool. I think if you’re suffering and you’re dealing with discomfort, what do you have to lose? Like you might as well try it because this could be the answer and it very likely will be. so I just feel like anyone that is dealing with that or if you have a family or a loved one.

Jannine Krause (34:01.08)
Yes.

MIKE Hammond (34:19.919)
Like what better gift could you give them than something that can actually give them their life back and allow them to start moving again and just not focusing all day long on that pain. So, I mean the coolest story I ever had emailed to me, to me, and it had to do with a mom. I think your audience’s moms, a lot of moms. She emailed us.

And it was a story about her seven year old daughter and she said her seven year old daughter had, so she was a dancer and all of sudden she started complaining about her leg, feet hurting and she couldn’t walk and the mom was like, what? So they brought her to the hospital, doctors, rheumatologist. They ended up at the primary children’s hospital and they ended up diagnosing her with musculoskeletal pain syndrome, which is eight out of 10 pain forever the rest of your life.

And so she didn’t think there was anything she could do for her daughter. She’s like, she couldn’t go to birthday parties. She got left in the middle of the mall once with it because her friends wanted to keep shopping and she had to call her mom to come get her. And she’s like, it was just heartbreaking for a mom to watch her daughter go through this, but it was so bad and it was getting worse. So she was on Facebook one day and saw an ad about our Jovi patch. And she ordered two of them and got him home.

And the most touching part of the email is she said that she put it on her daughter’s leg. Her daughter started crying. She goes, mommy, doesn’t hurt. Mommy, it doesn’t hurt. She put both of them on her legs and then her daughter started running and jumping around the kitchen. She hadn’t seen her do it for over a year and a half. But the hard part was that she said, I’ve been trying to write you this email for five days, but every time I sit down to write it, I just keep crying.

And I think that is actually, and then she ends it, she goes, thank you, thank you, thank you for giving my daughter her life back. That’s like, if you know anyone, you have a loved one who’s suffering, like why not try it? That’s it, because that experience right there, it’s why we wake up every day excited about this. It’s why it’s my favorite company of all of my companies. This is my, I mean, it’s awesome. And we’re changing lives.

Jannine Krause (36:23.982)
Mm-hmm.

Jannine Krause (36:37.112)
Thank

MIKE Hammond (36:42.967)
And so give it a try. I know it’s hard because usually you’ve tried six or seven things. This isn’t like a normal stupid patch. It’s not like a light wave or whatever. It doesn’t have oils on it, right? This is actually really cool tech that does something that nothing else out there does. And you might as well try it because there’s a real high chance it could work. It’s cool.

Jannine Krause (37:06.562)
Yeah, I agree. I agree. It’s worth it, you know, and no meds, no possibility, and you can keep it on for whole year, which is pretty dang cool. I like that. And so you take it off when you take a shower, you slap it right back on and off you go. Deal. I think most people can handle that. That is a pretty simple intervention. You know, you don’t have to remember to take it. You don’t have to remember to do anything other than, of course, I’m going to say we got to get the lifestyle stuff dialed in because they’re…

there’s so much more to pain and the mindset, part of it that yes, will come once you get the noise absolutely down.

MIKE Hammond (37:40.469)
I’ve realized now that we deal with pain every day that I think majority of it is from inflammation and we are what we eat and lifestyle is a bigger deal than I mean, that’s one thing I’ve realized. Yeah, this helps you deal with it, but like we need to be healthier and there’s things we need to do that would actually cause that pain to go away on its own for sure. And that’s what I love about acupuncture is

I think Western medicine in so many ways is broken and I love Eastern medicine because it’s more proactive. It’s about being healthy, being balanced and it works. And actually I was working with the doctor over the Department of Defense from 2021. He was working with all the soldiers and he had gone and started to actually practice Eastern medicine. And he was, he was, he just kept telling me every time we met up, he’s like, dude,

Acupuncture is such a big deal. People don’t realize how awesome this is. And I think we need to mix those two cultures far better than we actually do because we change our lifestyle, we live healthier. A lot of our problems just disappear.

Jannine Krause (38:56.526)
True, that’s true. Yes, that’s why we’re here. That’s why we’re here. Well, Mike, thank you so much for coming on, sharing everything about the patches with Signal Relief. I can’t wait to share this and let folks, you know, take a look, try it out and see what they think. And, you know, when you got more things coming out, we’d love to have you back and chat further, because I will look forward to giving an update as to how my folks do with it.

MIKE Hammond (39:20.144)
That would be awesome. We’ll get you a bunch sent out so you can give it to your family and friends and mess around with it. Be awesome. Okay, thanks. See ya.

Jannine Krause (39:28.398)
I appreciate it. Thank you.