Ep 626: Zeolite Coach, Jeff Hoyt Talks All About Zeolite, Detox & the Dosing Paradox

What if the key to a more effective detox isn’t taking less—but taking the right amount?

In this episode of the Health Fix Podcast, Dr. Jannine Krause sits down with Jeff Hoyt, founder of Zeolite Labs, to take a deep dive into zeolite, detoxification, binders, and why the way you dose a binder may dramatically affect how you feel.

Jeff explains how natural clinoptilolite zeolite works as a selective “smart binder,” the differences between powdered, liquid, nano, and synthetic zeolite, and why quality and particle size matter. He also shares his controversial “dosing paradox”—the idea that, for some people, microdosing zeolite may actually trigger more detox reactions than a higher dose.

They also explore detox reactions, nervous system sensitivity, gut health, EMFs, heavy metals, testing, and how supporting the body’s overall health may be more important than aggressively targeting a single toxin.

Key Takeaway

Detoxification isn’t necessarily about pushing harder or tolerating more symptoms. As Jeff explains, the goal is to support the body’s ability to move unwanted compounds out without overwhelming the system in the process.

If you’re curious about zeolite or have struggled with detox reactions in the past, this conversation offers a deeper look at how binders work—and why the dose, quality, and form of the product matter.

Note: This episode discusses information and experiences shared by the guest and is intended for educational purposes. Detox protocols and supplements should be considered in the context of your individual health needs and, when appropriate, with guidance from a qualified healthcare professional.

Connect with Jeff Hoyt

Jeff Hoyt is a wellness educator and the founder and President of Zeolite Labs LLC . Transitioning from a background running alternative wellness clinics, he now focuses on mineral-based detoxification and is the creator of the dietary supplement ZeoCharge™. As host of The Detox Experience Podcast, Hoyt is best known for pioneering his “Higher Dose Theory,” which advocates for unconventional zeolite dosing protocols to help people target heavy metals, mold, and environmental toxicants.

https://www.thezeolitecoach.com

Instagram: @ZeoliteLabs

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Podcast Transcript

Jannine Krause (00:00.945)
Jeff Hoyt, welcome to the Health Fix Podcast.

Jeff (00:04.088)
Thanks for having me, Janine. I’m really looking forward to the conversation today.

Jannine Krause (00:07.463)
Well, I’ve got all kinds of questions for you, and you are just gonna get like a fire hose of things here because Zeolite’s somewhat still of it’s this amazing thing, you know, we’ve all heard about it. People have tried it, people have dabbled in it, and then people are still mysterious like mysterious about it. They’re like, I don’t know, is is this some weird, you know, hoax or what? So one of the biggest things that I like to try to explain to to my patients, and because you have a business that is surrounded by Zeolite.

I’m gonna let you do it better than I’m sure you do it better than me. I always talk about the swap and drop, kind of like what you guys were describing in terms of being a selective type of detox. And so please give us a little background into Zeolite. Like what is this magical stuff and how does it swap and drop and selectively detox us?

Jeff (00:57.442)
Yeah, and I think the first the first thing to clarify is that zeolite is a class. It’s a class of mineral and there’s a lot of kind of sub subtypes of it and they act a lot differently.

Jannine Krause (01:08.774)
Okay.

Jeff (01:09.176)
So so there’s natural zeolite, there’s synthetic zeolite, there’s powdered, there’s nanol, there’s there’s liquid, there’s there’s modified, there’s all these different things. So we can c get into that a little bit. But essentially what zeolite is, it’s a naturally occurring mineral. So it’s mined from the earth and it’s got this negative ionic charge. So it binds to positively charged toxic elements. And what you’re talking about with this swap and drop, what makes it kind of unique, opposed to just going in and just grabbing everything, similar to like an activated charcoal or some of these other things.

They’re kind of considered, you know, dumb binders or just traditional binders. Zeolites are considered smart binders or selective binders because opposed to just going in and grabbing, they work through a swap mechanism. So zeolites have this honeycomb cage-like structure, and inside these cages, they have positively charged elements like magnesium, potassium, sodium, calcium, electrolytes. When the zeolite cage encounters something it likes more, which is generally a heavier element, it swaps it out. So let’s say you have this.

Zeolite cage that has magnesium in it, it then comes across mercury and or the other heavy metals, they’re called heavy metals because they’re heavier, it swaps the magnesium for the heavy metal. So it doesn’t grab onto amino acids or vitamins or essential nutrients because it already has the electrolytes in the cage and it just swaps them for heavier elements. So that’s kind of the swap, and we can get into the drop aspect as well a little bit when we talk about maybe the dosing, but that’s kind of a naturally occurring zeolite. What makes them really unique? It’s this you know negative charge.

It swaps for positively charged toxic elements. And then from there, there’s all these different types of zeolite. So what we’re talking about, or what we’re primarily going to be talking about in this discussion, is natural clinoptilolite zeolite powder, right? So clinoptilolite is the form of zeolite that is primarily used for human consumption because that is the one that has the clinical research on animals and in humans, right? There’s a number of other types of zeolites, a lot of them are not going to be safe for an

number of reasons and they’re not going to be used for human consumption either. They might be used for other purposes. But clinoptololite is the type you’re going to see in most supplements. And then there’s variations of that as well. And then you have liquids and nanos and you know synthetics and all this other stuff. We can get into any of that if you want to, but that’s the that’s the basic rundown.

Jannine Krause (03:27.581)
Okay, okay. Thank you for explaining that so much more eloquently than me. Now, when it comes to like the liquids and the nano, like nano’s really hot right now. A lot of people are talking about that technology, but then you’ve got the same amount of people saying, nano’s a problem because it can get lodged in the liver and things of that nature. And I’ve even heard people say Zeolite in its cages can get lodged in areas too. So

Help us understand the different forms and what you’re using compared to what I just described and and what this idea of things getting lodged maybe with zeolite that folks are talking about.

Jeff (04:01.119)
Yeah. Yep. And and I guess

a step before that is, you know, why would anyone even consider taking it? And the reason they’re taking it is for generally for detox. It’s a binder, at least in the right form. It’s going in and it’s binding to toxic elements. So it’s in that category of the charcoals, the clays, the pectins of binding toxic elements and then they’re modified to kind of do different things. So you know, binding to to heavy metals, to metabolic waste products like ammonia, excess histamine, mycotoxins, radioactive materials, etcetera. So that’s kind of what it what it does, why people would even take it if people are still confused at this point.

Jannine Krause (04:06.79)
Right.

Jeff (04:33.231)
So the difference between the products initially, and it it is a relatively new product compared to a lot of other binders on the market. So a lot of people that were in medical school, you know, pre 2000 essentially had, you know, never the Zeolite wasn’t even available, right? So it’s like now it’s like, where do you get information on it? It’s still not really being taught in any any of the schools, to my knowledge, or anything like that. But essentially, you know, starting around 2000, they started using it for human consumption because they had already done animal.

studies and before that they had done water filtration studies and and studies for other commercial purposes. So for example, they used it in the Chernobyl nuclear disaster zeolite powder. They dumped it in the water supplies to clean up the radioactive elements from the nuclear disaster.

Cesium and strontium, right? So they know that it has direct binding affinity for a lot of toxic elements. So they there’s lots of studies on zeolite and water purification, even binding to glyphosate and water supplies and things. From there, they said, All right, let’s start testing this on animals. And then they started, you know, using it in animal feed, which they still do, and there’s a lot of research on animals, even you know, chickens and dogs and all these other animals. And you know, it binds to mycotoxins in the animal feed. And like in chicks and chickens it helps, you know,

increase glutathione peroxidase and SOD and improve you know egg production, all this stuff. And then they said, All right, this seems pretty safe and like in the animals, they were mixing it with the animal feed, and it was still improving the nutrient level in the blood.

Because they were expecting it potentially to decrease you know to mess up the minerals because most binders or chelators are going to be depleting minerals along with the toxic metals and other things they’re binding, but it was actually improving the levels of minerals as it was removing the bad stuff. So they said, okay, this is pretty, this seems to be pretty safe. Then they started using it for humans, and then this, you know, we’re about 25 years in to this human process. For the first, you know, seven or eight years, it was only powder. You know, it was just powdered zeolite. They take this, you know, mineral from the earth, they micronize it, and the

Jeff (06:32.601)
process is much more advanced now than it was 20 years ago. But you know, they micronized it, ground it into powder, and then you consumed it, you mixed it with water, and that was it. Then we had the marketing companies start entering the arena because they said, okay, there’s, you know, we’re getting a little bit of momentum here with this zeolite detox. So you had companies coming in and saying, all right, no one likes powdered products. Let’s just be honest. Like people want the droppers, right? It’s what they want, right? It’s easier to take. It’s just it’s better for marketing and all sorts of stuff. So they started taking the powdered zeolite.

Just what was on the market. The couple brands that were on the market, they took it, they mixed tiny, tiny amounts of it.

with water and they marketed it as either liquid zeolite or you know nano or cellular detox or whatever. There was nothing different about the zeolite at all. It was literally just the powdered zeolite mixed with water. And we’re talking about thousands of times less the dose, right? So that was the, you know, five years or maybe 10 years even of the liquid zeolite products that were all being marketed for just the marketing people got a hold of it, essentially. And then nano technology was developed in terms of zeolite.

Right. So now you have companies that are actually producing nanozeolite. Most of them are still just using the normal zeolite mixed with water and calling it nano, which it is not. But the n actual that’s the actual nano zeolite is a special process where they’ve nano-sized the zeolite cages. And that’s kind of what some of the products that are trending right now. They’re in droppers, they’re also very, very tiny doses, they’re microdoses. The problem with those is one, there’s no research.

So there, I mean, I I’ve never seen a single study on nanozeolite. Maybe there’s a couple, I don’t know, but all of the research is on powdered cleneptoolite zeolite. So a lot of these companies are just assuming it’s going to work as well or assuming that it’s going to, you know, work better or still be safe. But the challenge is when you when you nanosize it, you’re actually breaking apart the zeolite structure and it starts losing some of its properties because you want this zeolite cage intact. So it has the electrolyte and it swap it out.

Jeff (08:31.763)
And with the nano sizing destroys the structure, most of the structure. So it’s no longer working with the swap and drop mechanism. It’s only working through adsorption. So you’re still getting the adsorption where essentially the toxic elements are binding to the surface of the fragments of zeolite, but you’re not getting the swap and drop. So it’s a much much less efficient process. And even the companies, a lot of them will market their products as clinoptylolite fragments.

Because it’s not actually zeolite anymore. It’s just fragments of what once was zeolite. And they’re likely to cause a lot of detox reactions. And that’s why a lot of people think they work so great. But we can get into kind of why that is with the dosing. So anyway, there’s a lot of Zeolite products on there. Zeolite in general has incredible potential because it is very strong, broad spectrum and strong binding capacity, and it can be helpful in basically all forms. But in my opinion, I would s I personally don’t ever recommend the nanos.

I don’t recommend the liquids for sure. I don’t recommend synthetic zeolites because there’s some of the supplements on the market are not even natural. They’re synthetically derived. They’re made in the laboratory. And those have a completely different profile. And there is concern with those potentially, you know, lodging in the body, causing issues because the body doesn’t really know what to do with the the synthetic version versus the natural. but yeah, so I recommend the powders and then one more note on this, and then I’ll let you take over again.

Is you mentioned kind of lodging into the liver or lodging into the body. And really what the point of Zeolite is, is it’s a binder, right? Just like the charcoals and clays, they’re not supposed to be systemic, you know, getting into the brain, getting into the liver. They’re supposed to just be binding in the GI tract and and bind that’s that’s what binders do. So that’s what zeolite does as well. And then the concept behind the nanos, or at least the marketing concept, is they’re like, no, we need a cellular detox or we need

We need the zeolite to go into your brain because that’s where the toxic elements is are. And they’re really trying to prey on you know, pe people that just that just like, my brain hurts, so I need to detox my brain. And they don’t understand necessarily all of the mechanisms of detox. And that’s where a lot of the nanos and things come in. So I don’t think we want to be putting any zeolite in the brain or in organs. I think we want to be effectively binding in the GI tract and then allowing the body’s natural detox processes to ramp up.

Jeff (10:47.349)
And start naturally releasing toxic elements from the bl brain through the lymphatic system, et cetera. And there’s kind of a downstream effect. And that’s that’s w we can get into kind of the dosing and the three levels of detox too. But essentially if you if you just go straight into the brain and you bypass the digestion, that’s where most of the toxicity is anyway. And your body’s less likely to even let go of a toxic element in the brain, even if it was able to get in there and encounter a toxic. So

Maybe they get lodged. I don’t know. There’s really no research. So we don’t know the safety profile of them. That’s another reason why I don’t recommend them. But we know that the natural, you know, powdered zeolite products that are not in the nano range, those are safe. They’re GI binders, but they still do offer a full body effect because of the downstream detox effect. And we can prove we’ve proved that through our case studies program and some other analysis we have done.

Jannine Krause (11:35.483)
Makes sense. Makes sense. Yeah, it’s just some of the things you hear online. I like to always like call it out because people are likely hearing what I hear and I’m like, hmm, how does that work? So it’s it’s always good to kinda hear that side of it. Now, in terms of natural mind zeolite, where is it mind? Where are you getting your source from? Out of curiosity.

Jeff (11:54.478)
So there yeah, so there’s mines all over the world. So th what we and we don’t so we have an agreement with the mine owner. It’s a private mine. So almost all of the zeolites are coming from commercial mines, mostly in the United States, which you do not want. Ours is coming from somewhere in the Middle East, a private mine, so we can’t disclose the exact location at this time with the agreement with the mine owner. But it’s different. You can just tell it’s different than all the other ones based on even the color, the texture, the smell of it, everything is just more pure.

When people market their zeolites as, you know, made in the USA or mined in the USA, that’s actually a negative because all of the mines in the United States are commercial mines where they’re mining zeolite for industrial purposes and agriculture and they don’t have the quality controls at the mined mined for human consumption. Right. And then most of these companies are not even cleaning the zeolite at all. They’re literally just taking it from the mine and packaging it and then calling it like, you know, the world’s purest zeolite or nano zeolite. You know, they’re just making

Jannine Krause (12:39.282)
Hmm.

Jeff (12:50.827)
stuff up as they go with with no with no proof at all. So it is kind of the wild west a little bit with the Zeolite industry. So it’s a little bit you know upsetting to you know when there are where there are some brands that just aren’t as reputable or they’re not as honest with their marketing and then it kind of gives a bad name to the Zeolite industry in general. But yeah you don’t want it from the United States. You want it somewhere with where there’s a better source because there’s also different percentages of clinoptolite in the mines.

And then you have, you know, the purity of the mine. And like for example, a lot of the mines in the US and the commercial mines, they’re gonna be completely contaminated with mycotoxins because that that’s happens. So you know, we’ve got the third party analysis showing that there’s no mycotoxin exposure or bacterial or any of that stuff. Arzeola also goes through a pasteurization process.

to destroy any any pathogens that potentially could have gotten in there from the mining anyway. So but side with the cleaning to remove the toxic elements, it also goes through pasteurization. very, very few companies are doing any sort of cleaning and they’re definitely not doing any sort of pasteurization generally to to clean the zeolite. So we we just take additional steps to to make sure it’s the highest quality possible.

Jannine Krause (14:01.009)
Something we you know, I never really thought about that. And and you know, yes, in a day and age when folks are really wanting fo things made in the US, we have some reasons to to rethink things, which is always why I want folks on the podcast to kind of help us explain but also understand what intricacies we need to be paying attention attention to when it comes to certain products, much like with with Zeocharch, you know, and Zeolite. And so obviously not to compare you to any of the

The US, you know, mines, we know you’re you’re getting it in the Middle East, which sounds super exotic. Did you get to travel over there yourself? Gotcha. Gotcha. Sounds cool. so of course, my other question, you know that I like to start podcasts out sometimes with this, but then sometimes I like to infuse the center of them with what is it about Zeolite that you absolutely love? If you were like to say maybe three top things.

Jeff (14:36.973)
I I’ve not. Not yet.

Jannine Krause (14:58.129)
What’s your favorite three things about it? Why are you still drawn to it and creating a company all

Jeff (15:03.93)
Yeah, so well the one is just detox potential because before I was doing Xol I I’d another brand, I was selling all sorts of supplements, immune regulators and all sorts of stuff, which was great.

But it’s like you go off of it and you’re back where you started. Cause it wasn’t really like getting out the sources of toxicity at a biohacking center that would you know, you go in, it props your body up, you feel great, but then you stop coming in, you’re back to where you’re started. So I like things that have potential to remove sources of stressors on your life so that when you stop taking it, you’re better off than you were before you started. So that’s the number one thing I like about it. Number two is that it’s not working on any specific.

biochemical pathway, right? It’s not specifically doing anything for you. It’s just binding to what is there. So in one sense it’s the it’s the least specific product. An another sense it’s actually a targeted therapy because it’s binding to what each unique person has uniquely in their body at that time. So it’s like almost a personalized per product in that

mechanism. So I like it because we don’t sometimes we’re guessing, you know, we’re taking these vitamins and these n and these nutrients and, you know, whatever it is and we’re saying, you know, we’re trying to optimize this biochemical pathway, but there’s always downstream effects.

And we don’t always have it all figured out. And I like things that are very simple and they can’t really mess things up besides detox reactions. But I like it just goes in and it binds. So I say there’s no side effects to it, there’s only detox reactions. And there’s definitely det can definitely be detox reactions, but they’re not side effects. They’re just when you bind to something and you stir stuff up, anything can happen, and that’s also unique to the individual, which we can get into. But I like that it doesn’t specifically work on anything, and it’s not, you know, altering really biochemistry directly. It’s just it’s just all of an indirect.

Jeff (16:41.488)
And then I like that it’s it’s one thing that a lot of people

have found that just works better than everything else, right? For some people. And it’s just one of those things because some people haven’t been able to tolerate other binders. Cause I think binding is very important. And there’s a number of good binders out there. And it’s just some of them, whether it’s because they’re so constipating or it’s because it’s stripping nutrients or they just can’t tolerate it for one reason, they just can’t take binders and then their body’s not able to keep up with their daily dose of toxicity. Whereas when they take xyoturch, they’re able to tolerate it and it reduces the daily burden and then they feel better. So for a lot of people that haven’t been able to take

binders or haven’t been able to do other detox protocols successfully because of the terrible reactions, a lot of those individuals have been able to take Zocharge when taken appropriately and it is just they can start getting the ball rolling and start detoxing opposed to accumulating.

Jannine Krause (17:29.691)
Makes perfect sense. And definitely somewhere where you know, I’ve been a naturopath for almost t well, twenty years now. and and you want something that’s gonna last, right? And you want something that’s going to keep people feeling good longer.

versus having to have something as a band-aid and you know our environment’s not getting any cleaner. So we have to kind of think about these different things. For sure. For sure. and and yes, a lot of women, I I see a lot of folks, you know, in the perimenopause, menopause and beyond kind of state and and gut health is a is an issue and constipation is a big factor. And that is one of the biggest downsides that we’ve had using binders in the practice with with different folks. Now

You mentioned something that of course is kind of what I wanted to talk about is dosing and this concept of what do we do with these herximer reactions and and and how do we we navigate it because I started using Zochart. So you guys I got it here. this is my third bag. I’ve just got to the end of it. here and

You were mentioning like six tablespoons and I was like, holy crap, I don’t know. Like what the heck? So I ended up going slow and ramping up and you’re like, hmm, let’s talk about dosing. So I’m gonna let you take it take it over from here and talk about dosing reactions and and kind of how what you’ve seen with all your case studies too with folks.

Jeff (18:56.044)
Yeah, so so so this is this is I mean, this is a huge topic and I think the most important thing with Zeolite is quality and quantity. Right. So you could have the best quality product in the world, but if you’re not taking it at the proper dose for you, then you might not get the right results and it might even you know cause terrible reactions, you not might not be able to take it. Right. So th it’s it’s very important. I think also understanding that there’s different types of detox reactions is important too, ’cause I like to say I always like to s take a step back and say, Why is the body doing what it’s doing?

Right. The body’s doing what it’s doing for for a reason. It’s like, why is the body storing toxic elements? It’s like if they’re bad for us, why is our body keeping it’s it’s to protect us because the body, it’s all about priorities. The body’s focused on short-term survival over long-term thrival. So the body would prefer to keep a toxic element like mercury in your brain, even though it might be causing neurodegeneration, opposed to having it floating around in your processing center where it’s actively being

dealt with with the system, which is resulting in an immune response and inflammation. Right? So when the body, you keeps these heavy metals and tissue, it’s actually kind of a storage unit and it hides them and causes more long-term issues, less short-term. So I like to think of stuff like that, like why is the body doing what it’s doing? So when we get a detox reaction, I like to think

Why are we getting this detox reaction? Like besides just like I took this product, I got the reaction, but why is it? And trying to if we can figure that out, we can get some more answers and develop better protocols as well. But there’s different types of reactions. Some of them are gonna be avoidable, some of them potentially not. But when it comes to detox, minimizing or avoiding detox reactions is always ideal. So I’m not really one that says you just have to suck it up and just you know fight through it and you’re just gonna feel terrible for the next year, but it’s gonna be worth it, type of thing, right?

Like when you detox, stuff does get stirred up. There’s a little bit of turbulence, but you want these toxic elements to leave your body with the least amount of turbulence possible.

Jeff (20:48.47)
Right. So when it comes to like redistribution of toxic elements, where you stir stuff up, your body gets some of them out, and then some of them find a new home. That’s what we absolutely want to get rid of. We don’t want that in a detox protocol. When we’re talking about maybe some Herzheimer reactions, which is more biological agents, like like bacterial die-off, when you’re disrupting biofilms, you’re kind of breaking stuff apart. Those sometimes are unavoidable because your immune system is going after something and there’s just a natural inflammatory response to the diet.

Off the microbes. So that’s a better detox reaction than redistribution. Then you’ve got things like retracement symptoms where essentially you have a trapped emotion that your body has suppressed for years. That comes to the surface. You start reliving, you know, a past trauma, also potentially going to be unavoidable or to some extent unavoidable because you’re not going to be able to bind.

To that emotion necessarily, your body has to process it. So it’s there’s all these different reactions, and you know, some of them are avoidable, some of them are not, but we want to minimize them all as much as possible. And it comes down to detox energy, right? The more energy or the the body has a certain amount of energy to deal with everything it has to deal with on a daily basis, right? And some of that energy goes towards detox. I call that detox energy.

If the toxic elements coming in on a daily basis, that’s our daily dose, if that exceeds our daily detox energy, that’s when we get accumulation. And if this happens day after day and year after year, we start accumulating a lot of toxic elements. Right. So what we want to do is free up this energy so that our body can start not only dealing with the daily dose of toxicities, but have extra energy to start releasing toxic energy energy, toxic elements from storage.

Right. And this is why even people that go on vacation sometimes will get sick if assuming it’s not from like partying and drinking. But sometimes people, you know, take a break or or they they have a college student has an exam and they’re studying for two months for it, very stressed out. And then afterwards, once again, assuming there’s no alcohol involved, afterwards they they get sick. And a lot of times that’s because your body’s in survival mode.

Jeff (22:52.876)
During the middle of it, the cells are shut down. It’s not in detox mode, it’s in survival mode. And then when you calm down, the body opens up the cells again and starts dumping the toxic elements that it was kind of building up over the last two months. Then you get sick. So it’s it’s all interesting, it’s all priorities in detox. Now bringing this back all to the zeolite dosing paradox. So what I discovered is that interestingly, there is a paradox with at least with Zo charge.

So I haven’t tested this with like a lot of other products, so I can’t speak to other products because there are differences in the zeolites, but with Zoocharge, there is a dosing paradox where higher doses are generally less likely to cause the detox reactions than the low doses, or at least the micro doses.

Right. So and I and I discovered this was probably six years ago I discovered this ’cause people were, you know, microdosing it as they do, you know, people coming into my my biohacking center and then some of the people that were microdosing were were getting headaches and, you know, irritability and joint pain and all these things. But then all the people that were starting on higher doses were not. And then I started you know, a few sensitive people came in that normally would microdose. I’m you know, just just take this higher dose instead. And then they weren’t getting reactions. And then the people that were microdosing, I Why don’t you just

you know, a couple of them that were willing to try it. I said, Why don’t you, you know, take take they were taking, you know, like a sip of the powdered water. I said, Why don’t you take, you know, three I think I said three teaspoons or something at the time. And they did, and they’re like, a couple of them did. And then they had much, much less symptoms. And they’re like, what is happening? So then I kind of developed the whole philosophy behind it. And you know, that was like the experiment. And then I developed a whole there’s a whole document on the on the website. It’s like forty pages that goes into the different

logic behind it. But essentially it has held true for the last six years where for most people, higher doses are less likely to cause the reaction than the microdoses. So the reason behind it is we have to understand what is happening when you take zeolite. So with most detox products, detox is is going to be inherently stressful because what you’re doing is you’re taking what I consider a deactive, deactivated toxin, something in storage, and you’re bringing it into the processing center.

Jeff (25:00.684)
So you’re deact you’re taking a deactivated toxin and you’re making it active. Now the body has to use detox energy to work on it. So if you’re at max capacity, let’s let’s use the cup. I don’t have a cup with me, but let’s use the cup example of functional medicine where in your processing center, your gut and bloodstream and everywhere else, you have, you know, a a cup’s worth of of energy to deal with toxicity. And if that cup overflows, then you start getting detox reactions because your body can’t handle

Amount of toxicity present. So some people actually get detox reactions every single day without even going on a detox protocol because they’re having detox reactions to their daily dose of toxicity. Their body can’t even keep up with what they’re exposed to. So those individuals, when they detox, they’re usually considered too sick to detox. Because if they try to take a standard detox product, it takes more toxic elements from tissue, it puts them into that cup.

The cup is already overflowing. So you just added more to it, it overflows more. That’s more stress. The body already couldn’t handle the daily dose, and now you get more reactions. Someone that’s kind of on the borderline, let’s say they’re not symptomatic, but they’re kind of on the verge, their cups, you know, 80% full. They take a detox product, it takes toxicity from tissue, puts it into the cup. That overflows the cup. Now you have detox reactions. So a detox reaction is your body telling you there is more stress.

right now than what it wants to deal with, hence the reaction, which is what your body’s telling you. So most products automatically add stress to the system. So going low and slow is absolutely the correct approach because the more you take of the detox agent, the more toxicity you’re liberating from tissue, the more that’s going into the cup, the worse you’re gonna feel, the more reactions. And that’s not that doesn’t mean the product is working better. So that’s very important because some people say, the worse I feel, the better it’s working because I’m detoxing faster. Not necessarily.

Jannine Krause (26:56.465)
Right.

Jeff (26:57.698)
Because if your body’s getting all these symptoms, it means it doesn’t have the required energy to deal with that stuff. So then you’re gonna get a lot of redistribution. So you’re stirring stuff up, you get remobilization. Not ideal, right? So just because you’re feeling terrible doesn’t mean you’re detoxing faster. In an ideal detox state, you’re feeling nothing or you’re feeling better because you have no turbulence on the way out. And you’re actually detoxing faster that way, generally. So it’s it’s it’s not all about symptoms. So

Bring this to zeolite. Since zeolite is different, opposed to going in and mobilizing to mobilizing toxicity from tissue, adding it to the cup, it’s grabbing the toxins that are already in the cup, right? Because it’s a binder. So it’s grabbing toxicity. And then when the body in response to that, usually more toxins are added to the cup because there’s biofilm disruption, for example, where you’re mobilizing all sorts of metals and toxic elements and microbes and whatever else from these toxin clusters.

And then in response to binding in the GI tract, the body usually has this downstream effect where it starts letting go of toxic elements from tissue, from organs, from wherever else in the body. So essentially, let’s say you took, you had, your cup was 99% full. Okay. You took a microdose of Zolite. So we’re talking about you take a scoop of Zocharge, you mix it with a glass of water, and you took one sip. So just a very, very tiny dose. And that would be like equivalent to basically a serving of like a liquid Zolate product.

Right, just one sip of Zo charge. And you went from ninety-nine percent full in your cup to ninety-seven percent full in the cup. So you removed a couple units of toxicity. So great, right? You shouldn’t have symptoms because you took a low dose, right? But we didn’t take into account the r the cascade of events from that binding. So now you have the bowel film disruption. Now you have potentially the body releasing some toxic elements from tissue. And now all of a sudden you went from ninety seven to one twenty.

Jannine Krause (28:50.651)
Hmm.

Jeff (28:51.106)
And now you’re overflowing and you have symptoms. Now let’s say that same individual was at 99. They drank the entire glass of Zoocharge this time. So they put a couple scoops in. Instead of one sip, they took the entire glass. They went from 99 to 48. Random number. They went to 48. Then their body, you still get the biofilm disruption. Let’s say that adds 10. You’re at 58. The body starts dumping toxicity from tissue and organs. Let’s say that’s 20. You’re at 78.

You’re still under 100, so you don’t get the detox reactions. Right. So the goal really is to the more you take, the more you’re removing the toxic elements from the processing center, from the cup, the more room there is to receive additional toxicity that is going to be a natural response to the detox process. So that’s why a lot of times the higher dose works better than the lower dose because you’re removing more first and then the stress added by detox.

is hand is tolerable because there’s room to receive it.

Jannine Krause (29:51.622)
Makes sense. I mean it makes sense in terms of the paradox. I mean it it’s mind blowing to a practitioner who’s been seeing folks who are super sensitive and she’s sensitive herself to be like, Okay. But of course, I will give you the background on my husband and I. My husband read six tablespoons and said, All right, I’m doing it. Like ’cause he would have done twelve. You know, if if you know, the dose is this, he’s gonna do more just because he goes bigger goes home. Me, I’m like I don’t know.

So, and of course he was fine with the six. He was absolutely fine and he feels great. Me, I like I said, I had to like back down to to two. So I’m guessing that like, you know, when you were describing energy, right? And you were describing energetics and emotions and things of that nature, I’m almost certain that my issue, you know, is probably a lot of my nervous system. And so I’m super curious.

on the sides of folks that really have to have a lower dosage because they’ve got trauma, they’ve got stress trapped in their body, things of that nature. Their adrenal glands are a little bit wonky or they’re kidney chi if we want to talk Chinese medicine. I’m guessing you’re nodding quite a bit. So I’m like, yeah, you’ve probably seen this too.

Jeff (30:59.788)
Yeah. Well so interestingly, those are so I c I kind of call like that’s kind of the category I would consider like the four spectrum. I call it the four mold, metal, micro, magnetic field sensitivity. You kind of get this spectrum of like hypersensitive individuals. And you can throw in a fifth which is like mental and emotional, because when you’re sensitive to the other things, you’re generally more sensitive to the emotional aspect as well. So you’ve got this spectrum. Those are the individuals who we have I mean, probably I mean hundreds for sure, maybe

Jannine Krause (31:10.877)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff (31:27.318)
You know, a thousand plus individuals with that spectrum that have been taking Zocharge, and it’s the only thing they’ve been able to take. Now, it is highly dependent because some of them have not been able to tolerate it. So it’s one of those things you just don’t know. But for you know, at least 85% of those individuals, they have to take at least two scoops.

Per day. When they microdose it, it’s a disaster. So there’s there’s a lot of different things that can happen when you take it. And some people do better on a little lower dose, but not the mic, no one does well on a micro dose. So when I say micro dose, I’m talking about like a sip. So that’s generally the worst thing you can do is taking, you know, like a couple of milligrams. So and this is why the liquid and nano products sometimes are so problematic, because they’re literally like six scoops of Zocharge, which is kind of the high-end starting dose for really sensitive people.

Jannine Krause (32:02.471)
Gotcha. Gotcha.

Jeff (32:17.408)
is exactly 100,000 times the dose of the nanos. 100,000. So you can see like you’re not getting very much with these liquid and nano products. I mean you look at the bottle and it’s clear. Zeolite’s not clear. They call them some of them are like literally called clear drops. Like there’s nothing in there. This like such a micro dose. So it’s enough to go in and just like remove, you know, one tenth of a percent of a toxic element and stir stuff up. And I think may and and disrupt biofilms still. And maybe there’s some sort of homeopathic like

Jannine Krause (32:29.329)
Yeah.

Jannine Krause (32:35.557)
Jeff (32:46.668)
body’s response to the zeolite process where it dumps toxicity. I don’t know. There’s a lot that could be going on. And they still can help detox, but it’s so inefficient that they get terrible detox reactions. Right. So that’s where, like we did a sip challenge just to drive this point home one more time. We did, you know, people, we we had them take a scoop, mix it with the water, and take one sip. And the individuals who got symptoms, mostly headaches, headaches are the most common detox reaction, the next day we had them drink the entire glass and they didn’t get the headache anymore.

Right. So it’s like the the the one sip did not detox them faster because they got the symptoms. It was just a less efficient detox, which is why they got the symptom. When they take the full scoop, not only did they detox more efficiently, it was better. They can maintain on it because they’re not having the symptoms. They don’t have to go off every other day. And it’s just better. So with the nervous system, it’s a little bit tricky because the one thing where potentially because I mentioned constipation earlier and about

75 to 85% of individuals actually find zo charge to be more more regulating and actually more laxative than constipating, but it really just depends. So if someone is getting backed up on the zoo charge, a lot of times that is individuals with very stressed out nervous systems. Sometimes the higher doses will be more constipating than the lower doses. So that’s one situation to drop it down. Most of the time, actually, it’s the low dose resulting in the constipation.

Because the lower doses is resulting in l a little bit of GI inflammation from the detox stress. And then individuals go on higher doses and it loosens their stools. So it’s it could go either way. It’s it’s a question of is it the actual powder itself causing the constipation sometimes, or is it a detox reaction, in which point taking more would actually reduce the constipation? That’s most of the time. But it’s one of those things, it just depends. And also depends on what you’re detoxing. So someone that’s actively detoxing mercury, a lot of times

Mercury is very constipating on the way out. So that can result in some constipation. There’s a lot of times there’s cycles. People will get constipated, then they’ll get diarrhea or you know, looser and harder stools, and they’ll cycle based on what they’re detoxing as well. So there’s a lot to go, to go. But I would say for people that are interested in trying, between two and six scoops is generally the recommended starting dose. So that’s great. Like two scoops, I have no problem with two scoops.

Jannine Krause (35:03.527)
Gotcha.

Jeff (35:06.882)
And it’s also what you’re comfortable with. If someone is abs if you’re absolutely terrified of taking like six scoops, don’t don’t do it, right? Like if you if you are absolutely positive that you’re gonna get reactions from six scoops, then don’t take the six scoops. Like take what you’re comfortable with, but don’t take one sip. Like if that’s all you’re comfortable with, I would still say don’t take it until you are comfortable with taking at least one scoop. Like if you’re not gonna take at least one scoop, I would say don’t do not take it because it’s probably gonna cause a lot of reactions.

So that’s that’s that’s my thoughts.

Jannine Krause (35:37.576)
That’s good to know. I mean, it’s it’s super good to know because I I think, you know, as a provider and and being a little more cautious myself and having patients who are worried about having really bad reactions, knowing that like if you’re gonna take a sip, it’s not gonna go well. I mean, huge, huge to to to know that. Now, I do have a question about EMFs because a lot of my issues with being really sensitive came when I got a new car that was it’s not an electric

It’s not, it’s a gas vehicle, but it has like all kinds of Wi-Fi and all the things that all the fancy cars have these days. And I find that that’s when I’m the sickest. What would you say to someone that maybe does feel kind of hasn’t connected or maybe is like thinking EMFs are an issue or something like that? How would you be using Zeolite in that case? Six six scoops, let’s say, if we’re going, if we’re going full speed, right?

Around driving the car, while driving the car? What’s what do you what do you think?

Jeff (36:38.702)
No, I so so I I I o and this is this is a really good point. It’s not if someone’s gonna take six scoops, it’s not six scoops throughout the day, it’s six scoops per dose. Right? So the key is to get enough on each dose. If you take one scoop six times per day

That’s the worst thing you could do generally. Because if one scoop isn’t enough for you and it causes a little bit of stress, you’ve now stressed your body out six times per day and it’s gonna be the worst thing. Six scoops once per day is recommended. So whenever people decide, whether it’s two scoops or three or whatever, I would take that all at once. For very sensitive individuals, I would recommend starting taking that after a meal, like thirty to forty-five minutes after your large largest meal. Because when you take these things on an empty stump, when you take any

Most things on an empty stomach in the morning, it’s more likely to have an antimicrobial effect. So it’s gonna have a stronger biofilm disruption effect, and you’re more likely to get nausea and other symptoms. So after dinner is generally recommended for starting off, then you can experiment. Also, that’s great because you’re binding to a lot of the toxic elements released from the liver through the bile that end up in the small intestine, and you can kind of filter those out before they recirculate. So a lot of practitioners recommend it after a meal just to kind of help filter out the bile and prevent that recirculation. Cause a lot of the

Toxic elements we’re exposed to on a daily basis, they’re not external. They’re actually internal toxicity, whether it’s you know metabolic waste production, you know, microbial waste production, or recycled toxicity through liver, you know, bile and pterohepatic circulation, all this stuff. So taking care of that stuff first, and that’s one of the reasons why zoocharge is so effective for a lot of people, is because it’s binding to a lot of those metabolic waste products like ammonia and even excess histamine. And when we specifically go in, we get a heavy mental test.

Like, I’ve got mercury. It’s like, well, yes, you’ve got all the other metals and all the other toxic elements as well. But you’ve also got all these other things. When we try to target a specific toxic element, it usually doesn’t work that well because there’s so many other things we’re missing. So the broad spectrum approach is a little better. But to the EMF question in the car, just I would still just take it once per day at any point. And that’s you know, if it’s working great, it’s helping calm down the system. And that’s the number one thing some people report is it helps calm the storm in the body, right? That’s the ideal.

Jeff (38:50.518)
situation. And when you take it, it’s going to do one of two things. It’s either going to reduce the stress load in your body or it’s going to add to the stress load. Like it’s kind of hard to know without taking it, but like most detoxes automatically add stress, which is why they can’t be, they’re not tolerable for a lot of people.

If take if this is tolerable, then it’s reducing the stress load, and then you’re going to be able to better handle the EMFs and other things because everyone’s being negatively affected by the EMFs. It’s just a matter of of how much and how sensitive you are. And a lot of the sensitivity is based on nervous system overreactivity and other toxic elements. I mean, for for metals, they’re just antennas. So there’s that for one with the EMFs. But then just the more toxic elements present, they’re stressing out the nervous system. The nervous system’s on higher alert, it’s more sensitive to the EMFs.

EMFs. So just calming it down, I would still do like once a day after dinner. And then that should, you know, last for a number of hours to potentially help with the the EMF sensitivity. A lot of people have reported really good benefits for EMF sensitivity. That’s that’s actually a really good way also to gauge

what’s happening in your body. So if you’re EMF sensitive and your EMF sensitivity increases when you take it, then it’s probably causing stress. The Zotharge, right? It’s causing a little bit of detox stress. If it’s reducing your EMF sensitivity, it’s reducing the stress load. So that’s actually a really good way to gauge it as well.

Jannine Krause (40:11.835)
the I like the tips on the experiment, right? You know, because at the end of the day, that’s what this is. We’re experimenting to see how we feel, how things go. Now in terms of recommending testing, like before, after, just for folks that are wanting to see like, okay, what what came out of my body, what happened, you know, what how many days, months, etc. Like what’s what have you found to be the most effective kind of course to take the Zocharge and then retest afterwards to see where you’re at?

Jeff (40:38.572)
Yeah, so testing testing is really tricky because we’re s just the just the testing technology is so limited is is the problem right now. If we had a test that would look at organ levels of heavy metals and toxicants, then we just do a before and we do an after at any point and it’s either lower or it’s not. We don’t have that.

Jannine Krause (40:44.572)
Mm.

Jeff (40:55.998)
So we have, you know, hair, we have, which is excretion, we have urine excretion, blood circulation, feces excretion, oligoscan, tissue, but still not organ level, right? So it’s like we’ve got all these different bioenergetics, which is great, but bioenergetics are also just looking at the active toxicity. They’re generally not picking up on the stored toxicity because it’s not providing the bioenergetical s bioenergetic signature because the body’s not actively working on it.

Right. So there’s limitations to all these tests. If you get them all, you can get a good picture. But you’re you each one provides a snapshot. So what I what I tell people is if you’re whatever test you’re gonna use, choose a test and then test monthly for at least three months to identify a trend. Right. So if so like with with the elite with like urine, for example. So let’s say you do a baseline test with urine.

That’s only telling you what is coming out of your urine right now. The sicker you are, the less that’s coming out generally, because your body’s holding on more and excreting less. So then you start taking the product, you test 30 days later, all your levels are higher. That’s actually good because now your body has liberated. So maybe you did a chelation challenge test initially to see what’s coming out. Great too. But retesting with the urine, I don’t find especially helpful because we’re only

measuring output. And sometimes the healthier you get, the faster you are increasing the output. So sometimes the metals actually keep getting higher on the urine, which is good because it means the body’s letting go of them faster. And then the body also cycles. So the body goes through these cycles of detox where it goes from the body will dump metals from like the brain to general tissue and then it’ll take it from general tissue as short term storage and then excrete it through the urine and other detox methods. So on a urine test, you could do a urine test right now.

Do a urine test in two weeks without doing anything different. And you might get completely different results based on the cycle that you’re in of detox. Because the the body is incredibly intelligent when it comes to detox. And you could take psych on zeo charge. You could take zeocharge for a year and your body will dick detox different things from tissue on during different months because it’s a downstream effect. You’re binding in the GI tract, and then the body lets go of, you know, mercury, gadolinium, and lead from the brain one month, then it binds or lets go of something else from

Jeff (43:08.418)
general tissue the next month and it cycles back and forth. So I saw all of that on my on our in our case studies program prior to launch where the body site it groups toxic elements together. It detoxes what it wants to detox when it wants to do it. If your body does not want to let go of a toxic element from tissue it will not let go of that toxic element from tissue. That’s where there’s a lot of problems with like like the synthetic and the liquid nanozeolite concept of going in and trying to forcefully remove a toxic element. It just will not work.

If the body doesn’t want to let go. Same with synthetic chelation. I mean, I’ve I’ve worked with people who have used, you know, very strong brain chelators for mercury that it’s not even on the market, and they would feel a tug-of-war effect in their brain. And it’s like, these are very sensitive individuals. And their brain, like the brain did not want to let go of the mercury. Like it was not going to let go. So when you’re exposed, when you’re acutely exposed, these things work great because your body can go your body doesn’t want it. It doesn’t know what to do with it. You take the thing, it cleans it up.

But if you have mercury that is settled in your brain for 25 years from amalgam filling exposure or something else, that detox agent is going to act differently because now your body is in that long-term survival or in short term, it’s it’s in the long it’s not focused on the the long-term survival as much. It’s settled and it’s scared because when you remove something from the brain that’s hidden, basically it’s in storage. The body now has to deal with it on the way out. And if the body

doesn’t think it can safely remove that toxic element, it’s not going to want to let go of it from the brain. So that’s why this downstream effect is generally more effective because you bind in the GI tract, you remove spa you open up space in the cup, you increase detox energy, and then the body starts naturally letting go of the heavy metals from the brain, from the organs, etc. as this downstream effect. So for testing, like I use the illegal scan, or that’s what we did for our case studies, I use it sometimes still. Hair testing is great too. So hair testing is good because

you can get the oxidation rates and you can get some other markers that are that are not just about like the levels of the metals coming out, but in terms of like the urine or the illegal scan or something like that. I like monthly testing just to see if you’re actually getting movement. If nothing is ever changing, like it’s just tricky. Like on the illegal scan, what happens is you test and that it’s it’s a spectrophotometry. Are you familiar with the illegal scan? Okay. Yeah. So spectrophotometry for people that don’t know, that’s measuring, you know, the tissue level of heavy metals.

Jeff (45:30.966)
in your hand only. So what’ll happen is you’ll you’ll cycle up and down. So you take the product, the metals go up the next month, which is great. It indicates the metals are being liberated from somewhere else organs. The next month, a lot of times the metals come back to the baseline. And then they’ll go up again, then they’ll come back to baseline. They’ll go up again. It cycles. So there’s there’s a specific level of metals in the tissue that the body is comfortable with. And then it starts, it doesn’t deviate too much from that. So if you test after a year, sometimes your metals

And minerals look exactly the same and you think that nothing happened, but you could have gotten 30% of the metals out of your body, but you can’t identify it on the test because you’re only looking at what’s in your hand. And I’ve got examples of these as well where I show people that like the beginning and end test is the same, but the intermediary tests show that the body was cycling through detox. So testing is a luxury, but sometimes it it can be detrimental. Sometimes it’s it’s not worth it if you’re not going to do it enough, or if especially if the practitioner doesn’t really understand.

because it might just it might you might lead you astray thinking that your protocol’s not working, even if the protocol is working.

Jannine Krause (46:38.831)
Yeah, I could see that. That would be incredibly frustrating. And and it’s something obscene. So yeah, I I don’t even bother, but I know I’m gonna get that question. So I better ask it. I think the other question that I’m gonna get too is a lot of folks on the gut as well. And using it as a biofilm scrubber and looking at something like, say, the GI map before and after using, you know, the charge, something like of that nature. What is your experience with that?

Jeff (47:02.956)
Yeah, absolutely. And and I mean a lot of people do s get a lot of great results on various GI tests and and and organic acid tests. And I got a doctor reach out yesterday and she’s like, why she her her patient was taking and her patient wasn’t MD, but taking twelve scoops per day, apparently. And like it was the only thing in like fifteen years that it lowered her like oxalate levels and lowered something else. And she’s like, What is going on? Like what is the biochemical I’m like, I don’t know, like what it is, but it’s like

a lot of people get results for things they’re not expecting. And back to the testing question, sometimes the best testing is non-heavy metal related testing. It’s other biomarkers, whatever things that you have been regular testing.

Just continue testing with those and seeing if you’re getting improvement in those as well, I think, is good. So for the GI tract, I mean a lot of these toxic a lot of these these microbial agents are opportune most of them are opportunistic, right? They need an opportunity to thrive, whether they’re there because of a weakened system or whether the body wants them to be there to clean up toxic elements, you know, that’s debatable. We know that like yeast will bind to mercury and toxic elements. We know parasites can absorb toxic elements, etc. So a lot of times the the

Microbial levels will balance when you’re on zero charge or an effective detox protocol because the body no longer needs those unwanted microbes and other markers start improving as well. So definitely, I mean, like on the GI map, like every single person is like, I’ve got high H. pylori and stuff like this. It’s like, you know, and then they go and they try to kill the H. pylori.

And then it’s like, why isn’t it going away? Or why is it why did it come back? so it’s one of those things. Like there can be direct approaches, which fine, but it’s like if it if you if you keep killing something and it keeps coming back

Jeff (48:48.95)
It’s there for a reason and then it’s time to like look at a different approach, more of like a detox based thing. So yeah, in terms of the GI, definitely there there has been a lot of improvement for people, but it really just depends on what’s causing the GI disruption. I also think that EMFs are contributing in a massive way to GI disruption because one, we know that like, you know, Wi-Fi signals, cell phone radiation, these things are having a negative impact on our cells, but I think more importantly, they’re having a negative impact on the microbes in our bodies and they’re allowing they’re basically

stressing out the microbes in our system which is

potentially resulting in an increased level of endo and exotoxin release or maybe transformation of those microbes into more pathogenic forms. And it’s very difficult to balance the gut these days. And I think that’s potentially one of the reasons is because we’re constantly exposed to these signals that are stressing out the microbes, resulting in these products that are then causing an immune response. When you have the immune response constantly, that’s resulting in inflammation. When you have inflammation all the time, it’s a more difficult time, you know, then the gut lining is not ideal.

So I think there’s a lot of factors, but the GI aspect of the Zoo charge I think is huge because cleaning up the gut really is important, right? For for detox because there’s so much your body’s using so much energy for digestion and so much energy on trying to balance the gut that

It’s taking away from some of the other detox energy that could have been used for detoxing things from your brain and other organs. So if you completely bypass your gut and you’re just like, I’m just gonna try to rip out metals out of my brain, but my gut’s a mess. It’s like it’s probably not gonna work that well because you have to start where mo most of the toxicity is. And some of that toxicity, it’s not just heavy metals. Like everyone’s obsessed with heavy metals because there’s a lot of data on them, but like there’s so many other

Jeff (50:37.91)
chemicals and toxic elements and things that are probably much worse. And then you have the microbial agents. Then you have, you know, the electromagnetic sensitivities. It’s like we really have to focus on everything. And what I tell people, which most people always think it’s completely not helpful at all, but I say it every time anyway, is that the key to an effective detox is to get healthy. Because the healthier you are, the faster you’re detoxing. When someone becomes sicker, they start detoxing slower.

to protect themselves, right? So when you someone becomes sick with a complex health challenge, their body slows down lymph flow, it slows down bioflow. You stop sweating as much because your body’s trying to keep the toxicity out of the processing center because your body can’t handle it and it wants to keep it in storage. So as you get healthier and maybe this is removing an infected tooth, maybe this is dealing with an emotional trauma. It could be whatever is causing the most stress to your body, these things are actually accelerating detox

Because now your body doesn’t have to use so much energy on those things and it says, okay, we can start detoxing. So all of a sudden your bile starts flowing more, your lymph starts improving, you start sweating, right? All these things. It’s like, so it’s not all about directly targeting these things that are our problems. It’s about doing what we need to do to get healthy. And then that accelerates detox.

Jannine Krause (51:54.574)
Mm-hmm. Absolutely. Circulation. I feel like it all goes down to the old circulation. You get the things moving and goes good from there. my goodness. I could talk to you for hours, Jeff. There’s so many, you know, detox questions, but of course I I have to respect our time here and folks listening. Now let’s talk about Zocharge, where they can get it, how they can get more information. Cause I know you have a ton on the website there. They can look at all the case studies, everything. Let’s give them the scoop.

Jeff (52:24.066)
Yep, so the the best source of information is just the main website, zeolightlabs.com. And we’ve got a lot of content that on that page. There’s an education page, getting started video, the dosing information, you know, a dosing video, all sorts of stuff. So I would check out the education page, educate yourself if this is something you’re interested in. And then you can make the best decision on what dose you think you want to start with.

whether it’s two scoops or or higher. we do have a program that’s very popular where it’s it’s a five month program called the Ultimate Zeolite Experience. And that’s where you start with six scoops for the first month. Then the next month you go to five scoops, then you go to four.

Then you go to three, then two. So it’s a reverse titration schedule, starting high, working down. And then people can either be done or they can maintain on one scoop after that or whatever. So that’s that’s an option as well. There’s a little bit of an explanation on that on the page. there’s a case studies page as well if you want to check out some of the illegal scan cage case studies. That’s on the website. We’ve got a couple there’s a few microscopists that sent it that experimented with Zero Charge on themselves. They send in the results. So I put those on the case studies page just showing the improvement in the blood.

even though it’s not directly going into the blood, but just showing the downstream effect of pure by cleaning the gut, you’re purifying the blood. Those are on there. There’s a couple other case studies. So Zeolight Labs.com is the best source. Then thedoxexperience.com is a user experience podcast where basically I interview people that have been taking Zocharge and they just share their experience. So some of these people are taking out 12 scoops a day or you know, and there’s a lot of very sensitive individuals that have been interviewed on that.

that kind of share their experience. A lot of them did have reactions and they explained what they did. So that’s a good resource for people as well to kind of dive in. You can search for, you know, topics on there. And then Instagram is pretty much the the social media that we’re active on at ZOLA Labs.

Jannine Krause (54:08.157)
Awesome, awesome. And of course you had kind of said you c you titrate down and then you go to one scoop a day. Is that kind of maintenance? Is that what you’re recommending for folks to kinda go with if if that’s what they want to do?

Jeff (54:16.704)
It it I mean I I never I I never would say anyone has to stay on anything forever. I mean it’s the healthier you are, the less you need. That’s it. Like if you if you don’t need a binder and your body is keeping up with daily dose of toxicity, I’m not gonna say you need zero charge. If you’re still struggling with it and it’s helping you and you go off and you feel worse, then it might be valuable to stay on it. So, you know, work with the practitioner on that one or just, you know, see how it goes on that one. But yeah.

Jannine Krause (54:46.663)
Nice, nice. I like that we can use our own discretion here, because that’s something that of course we want everybody to learn how to

Jeff (54:52.118)
Yeah. Ma maybe and maybe let me just say one more a couple user tips really quickly. So I for people that are gonna start one out after dinner, right? Don’t start on an empty stomach. Don’t start like two days before the full moon, because you’re much more likely to experience a detox reaction. All the time people are taking it, no symptoms. All of a they’re like, I just started getting symptoms. Bam, two days before the full moon, or you know, one day or three days. So much more likely to experience the reactions after a meal, two to six scoops, and then

Jannine Krause (54:57.469)
Sure.

Jeff (55:21.908)
If I would check out the dosing paradox because there are a few caveats to the dosing paradox. If you take go on two scoops and you feel great, and then you go to four scoops and you feel terrible, it might be because it’s an increase in microbial release from bowel films and you’re releasing more parasites, or it could be because two scoops was a binding dose, but it wasn’t enough to encourage the body to let go of toxic elements from tissue. So sometimes the higher dose does cause more symptoms. So I would just check that out in the dosing paradox to kind of see.

and it’ll it’ll just help you understand what’s happening to your body if you are experiencing.

Jannine Krause (55:56.488)
That’s awesome. Thank you so much, Jeff, for taking the time to come on and chat with us today about Zeo Charge. I appreciate it. And yeah, I think a lot of folks now really understand Zeolite at a much better level than they totally did coming in, even me. So thank you again. I appreciate Hey, my pleasure.

Jeff (56:08.545)
Absolutely. Thanks for having me, Janine. Appreciate it.