In this episode, Dr. Jannine Krause sits down with Dr. Izzy Justice, Chief Neuroscience Officer at Neuro580, to explore how neuroscience is being used to achieve peak mental performance. Dr. Justice breaks down the science behind focus, flow state, and brain optimization as well as the powerful role of 10 Hertz brain waves.
You’ll discover practical “neuro hacks” to instantly shift your mental state, improve performance under pressure, and enhance overall well-being. Dr. Justice also shares a powerful perspective on how trauma can be reframed as a catalyst for growth, resilience, and greatness.
Whether you’re an athlete, entrepreneur, or someone looking to improve focus and mental clarity, this episode delivers actionable tools grounded in neuroscience that take less than a minute to deploy.
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What You’ll Learn In This Episode:
- How Dr. Izzy is using neuroscience to enhance human performance
- The significance of 10 Hertz brainwave states
- Neuro hacks for rapid mental state shifts
- Why trauma can be a catalyst for growth and greatness
- How functional EEGs are being used to show the benefits of Dr. Izzy’s neuro hacks
About Dr. Izzy Justice
Dr. Izzy Justice is the Chief Neuroscience Officer at Neuro580, a leader in human performance, sports psychology, and mental training. A pioneering sports neuroscientist, he has certified over 300 coaches worldwide and worked with elite athletes, many of whom have gone on to win major championships and Olympic medals.
He is the creator of Neurohacks: rapid, science-backed techniques designed to eliminate mental distractions, sharpen focus under pressure, and help individuals access flow state in real time. With more than 18,000 EEG-based functional brain scans conducted during live performance, Dr. Justice brings unmatched expertise in brainwave optimization and mental toughness.
In addition to working with athletes, he has coached over 30 CEOs and numerous executives to enhance leadership, performance, and resilience through applied neuroscience.
Originally from Zambia and based in the U.S. for over 40 years, Dr. Justice is a best-selling author of 10 books, including Your Brain Swings Every Club, which connects neuroscience, emotional control, and personal mastery.
Resources From The Show:
- Dr. Izzy Justice’s Website
- Dr. Izzy’s Book – Life Explained: Chasing 10 Hz
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Podcast Transcript
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Dr. Izzy Justice
00:56 Journey into Neuroscience and Personal Trauma
05:43 Understanding Functional vs. Clinical Neuroscience
09:55 The Importance of Brain State in Performance
18:09 The Role of Electricity in the Brain
21:57 The Magic of 10 Hertz
28:41 Amplifying Sensory Input and Accessing Memory
35:54 Neuro Hacks for Performance
37:22 Neuro Hacks for Everyday Life
41:39 Understanding Cognitive Load and Its Impact
47:14 The Power of Sensory Input
48:48 Embracing Trauma as a Tool for Growth
01:03:47 Resources and Final Thoughts
Jannine Krause (00:01.154)
Dr. Izzy Justice welcome to the Health Fix Podcast.
Dr. Izzy Justice (00:04.423)
Janine, thank you so much for having me. I’m looking forward to this conversation.
Jannine Krause (00:08.672)
Well, I’ve been looking forward to it for a while since my husband was like, do you know who you’re interviewing? And I was like, well, I researched him and he’s like, no, he’s known to help golfers do amazing things. And my husband is is like, maybe his big dream is in his mid forties and like, maybe.
Dr. Izzy Justice (00:21.376)
Yeah.
Jannine Krause (00:26.986)
I could win like one of our local competitions, maybe, if I had my brain straight. So nevertheless, I’m excited to chat further, but also really to dive into what makes us tick a little bit when it comes to work, when it comes to competition, when it comes to really reaching our goals in life, because it seems that really everyone these days is talking about getting the flow state, right? Get into that state of the zone. And we’ll talk about your book, of course,
Dr. Izzy Justice (00:29.513)
Ha ha!
Jannine Krause (00:56.88)
that will bring us to that. But I always kind of like to go way back in time, because I know that you are a lifelong athlete and you’re interested, obviously you’ve dedicated your life to looking at neuroscience and sometimes I always like to go the brain. When did you first like think, I want to go after neuroscience and I want to know about like what makes people tick? What happened? What happened in life?
Dr. Izzy Justice (01:19.657)
Yeah.
Dr. Izzy Justice (01:26.281)
Wow. OK, so, you know, Janine, I’m at a point where I’ve become and continuing to become very comfortable in my own skin. And the truthful answer to your question is a lot of trauma, a lot of childhood trauma. I was the sixth out of seven children and I grew up in Africa in a, you know, Asian culture in Africa.
And when you’re six out of seven, you’re very low on the totem pole. And I grew up, I kid you not, not more than a thousand square foot home. And, you know, most of my childhood experience was, was observational. I just, I mean, it’s such a small house and I had three older brothers and two older sisters and a mom and a dad. My father was a physician. Um, my mom was this amazing eclectic, know, uh, spiritual sort of lady, uh, just full of love and kindness. Um,
But I suffered multiple traumatic events as a child. was abused by my father almost on a daily basis. And I, you know, it’s one thing to suffer trauma at the hands of people that don’t know you or circumstance. But when, you know, the people that are supposed to love you are the ones that are. That are inflicting pain on you.
then it becomes very difficult. And so you start this this exploration of how is that possible? And you look for answers and sorry, sorry about that. You look for answers. And so many answers were presented to me by amazing people, by books.
by life’s experiences, but they were all insufficient. There was always something about them that just didn’t make sense. It wasn’t logical enough, not rational enough, at least not for me. So it wasn’t until I stumbled upon neuroscience, I mean, frankly, very late in my career. I was a good 25 years into my professional career. Now I was always into human performance and human experience. My work with EQ,
Jannine Krause (03:18.894)
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Jannine Krause (03:35.531)
Yeah.
Dr. Izzy Justice (03:43.2)
I’ve written 10 books. Three of my 10 books earlier were had EQ emotional intelligence in the title, but I’ve since pivoted and
You know, I tell people that when it comes to understanding the human experience and a small part of the human experience is human performance at anything. It might be athletic human performance, or it might be personal. I want to be present at lunch or dinner with my spouse or my child. I want to brainstorm a really good idea about this challenge or problem that I have. Or in your world, in the athletic world, I want to make this putt. I mean, I’ve made this five foot putt a million times.
exactly what it does. But how come when I’m over the ball, like I have a million thoughts going through my head or if I’m a swimmer, you know, and I’m on top of the pool, I’m getting ready to go in and suddenly my last thoughts are don’t screw this up and you know, or they become very technique oriented or you start to think about the person on the other lane that you think can beat you and those kinds of things. I, I, I pivoted towards
neuroscience, Janine, a long answer because I’ve been on this lifelong journey to make peace with my own brain and to try to convert my human experience from one of constant challenge, constant uphill battle, feeling like the world is against me and life’s not fair.
Jannine Krause (05:01.87)
you
Dr. Izzy Justice (05:17.225)
to what an amazing gift it is. And it’s not just a static gift. It’s an exploration. And that exploration starts and almost entirely is in your brain. And it pains me. It really does that we have so much learning and education, formally, informally, that we have been through from our moms, our dads, our…
uncles and aunts and neighbors and formally from teachers and kindergarten teachers, professors. But somehow nobody taught us about our brain. Like the one thing that we are going to use for everything forever.
Like that somehow was left out of the curriculum. Like we learned civics and math and trig and algebra and, all kinds of stuff, all good stuff, chemistry and biology and rename it HOME-EC. but like the one thing that we’re going to use for everything forever, like that’s left out. It doesn’t make any sense. So that’s why I found neuroscience, again, me, just an N of one to be the most truthful.
lens to which to experience the human experience.
Jannine Krause (06:40.394)
I couldn’t agree more. I couldn’t agree more. And something that you mentioned, you you were talking about, this, know, anyone that’s in any type of sport and has been can really understand or resonate, you know, when you said swimming being, you know, on top of the water, I haven’t went in yet, and they say, take your mark.
and then you go to take your mark and 8,000 thoughts go through your head. You had mentioned your situation with your father. I’m thinking back, it brought me back to thinking about when my parents would be like, well, so-and-so is racing next to you today. You’ve trained really hard. Don’t disappoint yourself. And it was like to me, like, I don’t want to disappoint my parents. And so we take these…
experiences as young adults and no one or even just children and no one tells us that these experiences shape how we think going forward. So that take your mark has now been every single adult experience where I need to perform, right? Whether it’s speaking in front of an audience, whether it’s seeing a patient and getting results with them. And so I want folks who are listening to really be thinking about like, okay,
what in your life, and so as Izzy talks today, what in your life has maybe shaped to you to the way you think about life, but also the way you think about certain things that you’re going through. Now, you’ve performed, was it, over 18,000 EEGs, like functional EEGs? Yeah.
Dr. Izzy Justice (08:08.085)
Yeah, functional. Functional, yeah. So not clinical, functional. So I don’t know, maybe it’s worth just making that distinction for your audience. Yeah. So, you know, looking into the brain live is not new. We’ve been doing it for several decades, but I would argue strongly that almost most, if not all,
Jannine Krause (08:16.622)
Yes.
Dr. Izzy Justice (08:33.179)
of looking into the human brain has been on the clinical side, not functional side. So clinical means something is broken or damaged in the brain. have Alzheimer’s, have dementia, have epilepsy, have Parkinson’s. There’s a neurological disorder of some things or even trauma or just a concussion. And so when you’re looking into the human brain to see where something is broken or malfunctioning, you know, it gives you a target. It’s, it’s, it’s clinical.
And that kind of research is done typically in a hospital setting, know, some mostly in a psychiatric ward, but also, you know, in neurology. That’s not what I did. I’m not a medical doctor. Mine has been on the functional side. So what’s the difference between clinical and functional? Functional is nothing’s broken, but I still want to use the brain to the best of my ability.
And I want to understand how the brain works. The brain doesn’t work. mean, the brain is three and a half pounds, caged in a skull and mostly fluid. It’s an incredibly small organ, but incredibly complex organ. And it’s very easy to get lost in the neurobiology or the neurochemistry or even the neuroanatomy of the human brain. And I give the analogy, Janine, of a car. I mean, I’ve been driving a car for, I don’t know, 40, 50 years now.
I still don’t know how a carburetor works. I couldn’t tell you 90 % of the parts that are in the engine, but guess what, Janine, I don’t need to. You know, I know enough about the car to get me from point A to point B safely and efficiently. And so I think from a neuroscience perspective, it’s very easy to make something that is complex, complex. And it’s hard to make it simple.
Jannine Krause (10:24.974)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Izzy Justice (10:28.099)
And so, part of my job in the neuroscience world and with my research functionally is to focus on, you know, 95 % of us that are just nothing’s broken, nothing’s damaged, but by golly, we stress, we have anxiety, we exhibit behaviors and thoughts that we don’t know where they come from, and we wish they were different. And, you know,
At its simplistic level, we want our brain to be our ally and not our foe. We don’t want to be sabotaged by ourselves. I work with dozens and dozens of professional athletes and head coaches in so many different sports. And when my text messages and phone blows up after a meet or an event or a tournament or something, it’s not so much that the athlete or the team lost. That does happen.
as much as it is that they beat themselves. There’s a difference. When you do your best and someone beats you, you don’t feel great, but I find that the human activity, the active in the brain is far more calmer than when you lose by not doing, not even performing at a high level, just by not doing what you’re capable of, but what you’ve done a million times in practice. And when you can’t take what you know you are capable of.
to the quote unquote field of play during competition, which is where, you magic happens. That’s what eats at people. It really bothers people and athletes especially, but people in general too, when you, so I would call it when you underperform, you know you’re capable of doing something, you’ve done it before, but somehow in the moment that required your best, you were sabotaged by yourself.
Jannine Krause (12:17.706)
Mm-hmm. You know, I think this relates to so many different things even when we look back at health too just being able to take the steps to eat eat well make choices around your health and I think I’ll see that also for a lot of folks where you know, we call it the self-sabotage when they’re not doing what they’re supposed to or they know they’re supposed to do let’s call it that in terms of
Choosing an apple over chips. Let’s go with that. For example something simple and and it’s it’s such a fascinating Factor where well a lot of folks are like why can I make the right choice? You know for my health just as much as why can’t you know? Why can’t I seem you were mentioning the putter? Why can’t I seem to put five feet into the hole and get it right in there? What what is going on?
Dr. Izzy Justice (13:08.435)
Yeah, let’s take a step backwards, if you would, before we get into, because I do want to share some, actual tactics and tricks and that, that I think we can do. But, you know, part of my pivot into, into neuroscience was, understanding the, the, the human brain, from the role that it plays with the human body. So I’m going to give you an analogy, if you don’t mind.
Jannine Krause (13:11.608)
Okay.
Dr. Izzy Justice (13:38.308)
And the analogy is imagine that, you know, you or anyone in your audience has a beautiful cabin up in the mountains somewhere. And this cabin is on right on the edge of a beautiful river. And, know, every morning you wake up, you take your favorite beverage and you go to the deck and.
You watch the sunrise come up with the mountains and you can hear the river flowing through. But every morning there’s a bag of trash that somehow comes from upstream and it lodges into like a rock right in front of your deck. And so there’s a problem there. So you walk out there, you pick up that bag of trash, you put it in the trash can in your cabin, and then you enjoy the rest of your beautiful day. So there was a problem and you solved it.
Would you agree, Janine, that maybe the better solution is maybe walk upstream, see where it’s coming from every single day and stop it there. So you don’t have to do that. So in this analogy, you know, what is upstream of so many disparate parts of the human function, like you just mentioned diet or this performance, there’s sleep, there’s all these kinds of things. upstream of all of them is the human brain.
So understanding the human brain, you know, when we do feel stress, all the studies show this, every single one of them, is that when there’s certain neurochemicals that are higher in your body or when the electricity in your brain is higher, then we tend to not think very clearly. We want to, you know, basically relieve that stress. And so we’ll make poor decisions, one of which is to eat bad food versus eating good food. So I find that
You know, I can come up with solutions, one solution for one problem, but it’s so much better to come up with one solution that can impact many problems. so understanding the brain. that’s point number one. If you’ll just let me continue for another minute or two. So, you know, I feel like around the year 2015, which is only 10 or so years ago. So plus or minus a year, depending on who you talk to our understanding of what’s happening upstream in the brain.
Jannine Krause (15:33.592)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Izzy Justice (15:53.484)
Fundamentally changed since the beginning of time. Now, I know that’s a bold statement I hear the words that are coming out of my mouth and I’ve said them before when I speak or But it’s a bold statement to say that our understanding of the human brain and human experience fundamentally changed around 2015. So what what happened? Well for the first time in human history, we were able to look into our brains wirelessly Not let me tell you why that’s so important
Even though we’ve been able to look into the human brain for decades since the 1940s, 50s, number one, like I said, it was in a clinical environment, typically a psychiatric environment. And the technology that was available to look into the human brain and see what’s going on was very unsophisticated. You have to stay very still, typically in a horizontal position. Sometimes you have a big old helmet with about 50 wires coming out of your head. So…
How many things, functional things can you do when your body has to be in that state? Even MRI machines, you have to be very still. So around 2015, we could look into the human brain wirelessly, meaning that I can stand 10, 15, sometimes 20 feet away from you. And I can observe you do all kinds of human function, like what? Like trying to make a putt, like trying to kick a ball, like trying to make a basketball.
And so when this technology became available, like I shared with you before the call, I was already 20, 25 years into, you know, into my consulting business, into my coaching business, and I jumped on it. And I didn’t know the answers to some of the questions that I started to ask. And so I tried to make it simple. So the first question that I started to ask is in the seconds, this is very important, Janine, in the seconds and maybe a minute or two.
Before we want to do something to the best of our ability now that something can be anything it can be a motor function Like I want to stroke a putt or make a golf swing or shoot a free throw Or have a good swim stroke like before in the seconds that I want to do something that I’m capable of Is the brain in a certain type of state? I? Did not know the answers to that question there was some research out there, but I didn’t know the question the answer
Dr. Izzy Justice (18:15.571)
And then also equally, if I missed the putt, if I missed the free throw, if I miss hit the ball or whatever it is, is the brain a certain state? And the answer is yes. Not only is it yes, it’s like heck yes. So I was in, I mean, I was in my late 20s, Janine, get this, before I even some, I read that the brain has electricity. Like that blew my mind.
Because when we think of electricity, we typically think that it’s wired into something. No, we’re not wired into anything. We don’t have a plug that we plug in every night. You know, so where is this electricity coming from? Like I found that to be one of the most fascinating questions. How can we generate electricity, but we’re not plugged into anything? You know, and I now understand it and I’m not going to explain it on this call because it’s about ions going into a cell and sodium and potassium and calcium cells. They, you know, they get polarized and that’s what creates that. But
Even those, you know, it’s a pretty complex process. But then I started to ask, Janine, why electricity? Why not light? Why not osmosis? Why not gravity? And it turns out that it’s a miraculous design. Whoever designed us, whatever you believe in, that we have electricity. So I give people this analogy all the time that imagine that you’re taking a walk at a park somewhere and about, I don’t know, 15, 20 feet in front of you, you see something black.
Now, the photons of that black object through light travel from that object through your eyes, to your retina, to the back of your brain, and now you label it. And the label that you give it is, it’s a snake. There features about that object that say it’s a snake. It’s not a giraffe and it’s not a stick. It’s a snake. So you label it and then you give it a threat rating. Snake, ooh, not good. In other words, by that label, we then started a search engine, not wirelessly. didn’t…
Our brain didn’t wirelessly connect to Google and say, black object snake, give me all of the pros and cons of it. No, we did that on our own based on our own experiences. And then we initiated a motor movement where we turned around and ran the other way. We didn’t run at the snake and try to jump over it because that would be silly. All of that, recognizing of the snake, the labeling of it, the interpretation of it as threat, the initiation of very
Dr. Izzy Justice (20:40.011)
quick, this surge of glucose and glycogen in the body to turn your body around and bolt the other way in a second or two. What else could facilitate the speed with which all of this cognitive and motor function can happen? So when you’re looking at the human brain and you say, wait a minute, all these cliches that we’re using, so use the term flow earlier of being in the zone. Now, don’t throw anything at me, but
Those aren’t real things. They’re terms that we have come up with. But we’ve come up with terms like that since the beginning of time, and we’re going to come up with terms like that even more, I imagine, like empowerment or confident or happy. Like you’re describing the same thing. So I looked into the brain, these functional scans in the seconds and minutes before, and I said, OK, where is the electricity?
Jannine Krause (21:14.104)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Izzy Justice (21:35.948)
And it turns out, and this might be the most important message, and then I’ll pause and let you probe deeper. turns out Janine that every higher human ability and every higher human experience, separate things, ability, what I want to do, experience, I’m experiencing it like an amazing lunch or a conversation. Every higher human ability and every higher human experience seems to be happening around 10 Hertz.
So on a scale from zero to a hundred, and it’s not entirely accurate, but for the purposes of this podcast, let’s just go with that scale. If you were, if you, if I measured your brain and the electricity was between zero and five, so very low on that hundred scale, more than likely you’d be sleeping or trying to go to sleep. Now it’s low because what is the brain doing when you’re sleeping? Not much. You’re not reading anything. You’re not in danger. You’re not moving your body anywhere.
You’re in a horizontal position, so nothing’s holding anybody else. So you can imagine when you’re sleeping, because you’re not doing anything, the activity in your brain is going to be low, not zero, but low. So what’s 100? If sleeping is zero to five, what is 100? With 100, I’m getting ready to throw something, yell, scream, I’m panicking, I’m in full anxiety, anger mode. And so on that zero to 100 scale,
The claim I’m making is around 10, again, which is low, is where the magic happens. And so one last comment and then I’ll pause. So the next question, logical question would be, well, okay, why 10? Why not 20? Why not 80? So at 10, so think of the brain as having traffic. We have 80, 90 billion neurons in the brain.
and all of these fire together based on the experience that you’re having and the stimuli that your brain is processing, 10, the traffic or the activity is low. When the activity is low, two magical things happen. One, there’s room in the brain for sensory input to be amplified. So we see things all the time like, just want to be present. I want to be in the moment. Again, these are cliches. They’re not real things.
Dr. Izzy Justice (23:52.256)
But if you think about it, when you say, want to be present, I want to be in the moment, what are you really saying? You’re saying in this moment, I want to see as many things, feel as many things, hear as many things as possible. So when you go above 10 to 20 to 30 to 40 to 50, there’s more competition in the brain for that sensory input, which is always open. A good analogy to have in your, in your mind is imagine you’ve had a long eight to five workday.
Jannine Krause (24:16.066)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Izzy Justice (24:22.037)
Like it’s been crazy, one bad email and meeting after another. It’s five o’clock, you’re ready to go home. You got 30 minute drive home. You put the radio on to your favorite playlist and you’re driving home. When you got home, if I would ask you, hey, what music did you listen to? Odds are you probably couldn’t tell me. The music was there. The auditory stimulation was there, but your brain was processing so many things. So there was competition in the brain for sensory input. So at 10 Hertz, because the traffic is low,
The set, what we’re seeing, feeling, tasting is amplified and it feels amazing because it’s a low frequency. So low means low, everything low stress, low thoughts. The second magical thing. And then I will pause for sure. That happens around 10 Hertz is our access. And access is a very important term that I’m using, not creating something. I’m just saying access to existing inventory in our brain. So as an athlete.
We’ve done a lot of training. We’ve been coached by our coaches. We’ve read the books and seen the videos. So that inventory, all the work that we did in practice, where is it? It’s not in a hard drive or a thumb drive in your desk. It’s in your brain. So what we want is in the moment that matters over a putt on top of the pool, getting ready to go in, listening to those whistles. And you know, in the next whistle, I got to go in. Like in that moment, I want to access the right inventory.
Jannine Krause (25:47.054)
You
Dr. Izzy Justice (25:52.02)
So because the traffic is low, our access to our existing inventory is much significantly higher. And not just that, but it’s also access to the right inventory. When the frequency is high in the brain, I’m also accessing inventory, but they tend to be more negative because we’re in the fight flight mode. Don’t make a mistake. Your parents are watching. You better do well. All these thoughts that all of us have had, I done all these Ironmans that I remember, you know, before you jump into the
the ocean or the river or the lake, because in an Ironman it’s open water swimming. You know, have to wait for your wave to get into the water and like the worst thoughts in the race happen while you’re waiting. Like, did I really sign up for this? Like, why am I here? Like, you know, like this is not fun. Like, I don’t want to do this, you know, even though I trained for it for seven, eight months. And so like, where are these thoughts coming from? And so.
The magic that happens at 10 Hertz Janine is my sensory input is amplified and I get access. And when those two things come together in a given moment, I’m experiencing the moment and I’m bringing with it the most positive inventory of my memories. Well, that’s that’s that’s the human experience. That’s rich. That’s the ultimate wealth that in any given moment you are immersed
in the now and you’re bringing to it the relevant context, the good context of your human experience, the memories. You’re thinking of what your mom said to you when she walked to you in a park somewhere as now 30, 40 years later, you’re walking your kid in the park. And instead of walking your kid in the park and thinking about the 10 emails that you got to do afterwards, you’re thinking about your mom holding your hand. That’s a rich human experience.
So it turns out that life is so much simpler. This is why the title of my book is Life Explained and the subtitle is Chasing 10 Hertz. That should make sense now. I’m making an attempt to explain the human experience, which I’ve been searching for since as far back as I can go, 60 years. But using much more simplistic terms, you know, not cliches and, you know,
Dr. Izzy Justice (28:18.997)
but really understanding how the human brain works. So I find that if I can get myself or my athlete or frankly any human being to 10 Hertz in the seconds before they want to do something amazing, not the whole day, not the whole day, just in the seconds when they would need to do something amazing, then magic happens. Their sensory input gets amplified and they bring the associate that current state sensory input with the best version of themselves.
That’s magic.
Jannine Krause (28:53.262)
pretty impressive, it’s pretty impressive. I mean, your description is so great because I think for a lot of people, you know, we hear things like alpha state, which is more or less, you know, what I hear you talking about, but at the same time, what is it, you know, like you’re saying cliches and all these things, what does that really mean? And I think a lot of people can resonate with the traffic, like stop the traffic in the brain, the noise. I think…
it could be quite impressive of what we could do to take this to regular life, not just in the athletic life, but in the life of, like you were saying, having, and here’s another cliche, because just like having the experience of what your mom said to you in the park when you were a kid, know, the folks call it downloads, right? We got the download from the universe, right? And so,
Sometimes we’re searching for ideas. Sometimes we’re searching for insight. Sometimes we’re searching for an answer. And sometimes it’s in the form of a voice. Sometimes it’s in the form of a feeling. Sometimes it’s in a form of however the body wants to present it to you. Would you say that that’s also the possibility at the 10 Hertz, know, slowing us down to do incredible things because the traffic slows down. But is it also the slowing down and this is where we can get the insights and messages to?
that we might be.
Dr. Izzy Justice (30:17.879)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Again, I, whether it’s inside messengers or whatever you want to call it, for me, I have found it easier to experience the human experience when I’m using very simple terms. And, you know, so again, I’m going to go back to if we can amplify sensory input.
Jannine Krause (30:38.562)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Izzy Justice (30:47.913)
and we have access to our inventory, magic happens. Now that magic can manifest in all kinds of ways. I am not a prophet. I’m a regular dude. I have my flaws. I’m just a regular guy. when we are at 10 Hertz, when we’re in that magical state, I can understand how my ancestors that lived hundreds and thousands of years ago would feel like some god was talking to them.
Because at 10 hertz, there is a purity. I think magic happens when you make sense of your past or you bring the best version of your past to the present moment. And I don’t agree with, you know, entirely with, you know, people like a cartole or with this whole power of now, the idea that the power of now is that I’m now and nowhere else. Like, that’s not humanly possible. I had a mother.
Jannine Krause (31:19.01)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Izzy Justice (31:43.476)
my amazing mom who I adore to pieces. I’m alive because of her. And she passed away four years ago and she passed away of Alzheimer’s and it progressively got worse. And my mother is such a good example of she had no access to her past or the future. So in other words, she was processing the now, but it was miserable because there was no context to the now. Like she would look at me, especially those last year or two.
and not know who I was. But she was, I she saw my face and my eyes and she heard the words that were coming out of my mouth and she understood the words. She understood the language, but I wasn’t her son. You know, that, that instant smile that moms and parents have when they see their kids, you know, like, like, don’t know if you’re a mom or not, Jenine, but if you are, especially, I mean, my kids are grown now, but so I don’t see them very often, but when I do, you just like, my gosh, you know, my face just lights up and
I can’t wait to hug him and kind of kiss him 50 times on their forehead and hug him and touch him even though they want me to do that. so she didn’t have that. So this concept of let me be in the now without the past or the future, I think is shortchanging. The real magic is I think I want to be present now. Yes, for sure. But I want to bring.
the beauty of my past. I want to recognize that it’s my son or it’s my child or I want to remember when I was walking what it feels like to be a child, even though it’s been a long time since I’ve been a child and feel the joy of curiosity of a child, the wonderment that children have with everything that they’re seeing. If you raise kids, I mean those first 10 years, it’s like, you know, why, what, why, why, why, why? You know, like, how is this? Tell me more like, you know.
Jannine Krause (33:31.406)
Okay.
Dr. Izzy Justice (33:40.48)
And it’s amazing to live, to re-experience, you know, the world through your children’s eyes because they trust you, they love you, and, you know, they want an explanation to that. So I’m giving you a long answer, but I’m generally… And the brain doesn’t work that way, by the way. The brain does not process one experience independent of everything else. So I know your audience probably doesn’t want to hear this, but it’s the harsh truth.
that the most biased organ in the universe, in my opinion, is our own brains. When a stimuli presents itself, either a person or an event like a meat on a pool or a certain type of a race, our brain needs to make sense of it. Not just does it need to make, it is going to make sense of it. It’s going to give a meaning to that. And that meaning is not objective. It’s not going to chat GPT and saying, okay, I’m at a meat, I’m doing the 250 butterfly or whatever the case.
Jannine Krause (34:17.73)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Izzy Justice (34:41.011)
Maybe tell me what I should be thinking. No, you’re thinking of your mom and dad. You’re thinking of the people next to you. You’re thinking of this is day number three and I’m tired and, you know, like the pool is getting hotter and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I think the real magic is to to train your brain so that despite all of the organic context and the bias context that your brain is giving a given moment.
that you can switch that. And so there many philosophers throughout time, know, the stoics that have argued that the greatest, the greatest intelligence of all is the awareness of our thoughts and the ability to convert them. I mean, that basically means no matter what situation I am faced with, like literally whatever human experience I am faced with. I’m going to
Jannine Krause (35:28.376)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Izzy Justice (35:40.254)
accept the fact that my brain is going to give it a biased context. But despite that, I will find a way to bring my best version out. And so that only takes seconds, by the way. And I know we’re almost running out of time, but one of the things that I want to do with you and think your husband will like this too, and all the athletes that are in your audience, the moms and the runners, whoever they are, they can appreciate this.
Jannine Krause (35:45.42)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Izzy Justice (36:08.091)
in my discovery doing those 18,000 plus brain scans and that was last year so I’m close to 21,000 now but doesn’t matter but I find that in those seconds seconds not even a minute leading up to the moment that you want to be the best version of yourself which by the way again means that in the moment that’s about to happen I want my sensory input to be amplified and I want to bring the right memories to it right that
Jannine Krause (36:14.35)
This is so
Dr. Izzy Justice (36:36.585)
You only need a few seconds to get the brain to 10 Hertz. In other words, we don’t have to be in 10 Hertz all day long. We have to be in 10 Hertz when what we call our brain is spiking. When the surge of the electricity is very high. So I started to then explore these things called a neuro hack and a neuro hack. I wish I could have come up with a better term and I want to do two with you if you don’t mind. And it’ll take just a few seconds. So first of all, what is a neuro hack?
So all of us already do them. So when we are stressed, for example, what do most of us do? So that list is long and old. We go for a walk, we work out, we listen to music, we cook, we watch a movie, we go on vacation. Like the list of things that we do to quote unquote de-stress ourselves, which again, stress is not a real thing, it’s a label. What we’re really trying to say is to get that frequency down towards 10.
That is what that means. So even though we’ve been doing those kinds of things, those are not typically the kinds of things because of time and logistics that we can do in the flow of a day. So when you on top of the pool, for example, or if I’m over a putt and about to make a run, or I’m running, I’m a half marathon or whatever runner, and suddenly I feel pain somewhere or someone’s passing me, in that moment, we can call a timeout and say, yo, yo, yo.
Let me go do 30 minutes of yoga or meditation or listen to my favorite food and then I’ll come back, wait for me. So we need a different set of skills and tools, sort of like an on the go, like in the moment, what can I do? So these neuro hacks use the very things that I talked about earlier, which is our senses. Now we only have five. That’s good. Not 50, not 500.
So let’s do a couple of those and then I’ll connect them to what I’ve been talking about and your audience can follow along. So the first one that I want to do with you is called 10 10. Now I don’t want you to start doing it until I say go very loudly. So I’m going to make that motion. And the reason is because I want you to understand it first and then I want you to experience it. So don’t do it as I’m explaining it. Just let me finish explaining it. It won’t take long. And then I want you to do it. So when I say go very loudly, which is not now.
Dr. Izzy Justice (38:59.019)
In your mind with your mouth closed just in your mind, I want you to count from one to ten, Janine, as fast as you can. As long as you can say the numbers and not mumble. We want to mumble the numbers, say the numbers, but go from one to ten literally as fast as you can. As soon as you get to ten, I then want you to go back towards one, but as slow as you can go from ten to nine to eight back all the way down to one.
Literally as slow as you can as slow as your mind will let you Work your way back towards one when you get to one. Give me a thumbs up that way. I’ll know that you’re ready All right, this is the 10 10 neuro hack and go
Jannine Krause (39:40.79)
Okay.
Dr. Izzy Justice (39:55.467)
Okay, what is going from 1 to 10 feel like fast?
Jannine Krause (39:59.883)
It felt super amped up. I felt myself going, okay, do it. And then…
Dr. Izzy Justice (40:05.021)
Like what? And then going from 10 to 1, what did that feel like?
Jannine Krause (40:09.1)
I felt myself come back down. Like going up a hill.
Dr. Izzy Justice (40:11.691)
So maybe calming down a little bit. So if I was measuring you and my team and I have done literally thousands of these, we, when you went from zero to 10 fast, you were spiking. And then when you went from 10 to one, you were going towards 10. You were lowering the electricity in your brain. This is a way to trick your brain. And if I told you, well, first of all, how long did it take for you to do that?
Jannine Krause (40:42.574)
Probably 25 seconds maybe.
Dr. Izzy Justice (40:45.361)
Not even that. was probably more like 10, 15 seconds. Okay. What if I told you that the cognitive equivalence of what you just did is anywhere between five to 20 minutes of traditional meditation, mindfulness, yoga, a walk, a stationary bike. That is very cool. So did you, do you need any equipment to do the 10 10? Do you have to go somewhere specific like a gym or a yoga room or to do it?
Jannine Krause (41:00.942)
That’s cool.
Jannine Krause (41:14.093)
Nope.
Dr. Izzy Justice (41:14.419)
You need to buy something to do it. No. So you just use a way, a technique to get your brain towards 1010. So when I work with swimmers, I work with swimmers, professional swimmers, Olympians, and I will have them do 1010 in the 30 seconds before they walk up towards the edge of the pool. If I work with a professional golfer, for example,
and they’re waiting for their turn to putt or as they’re over the ball, I might have them do a ten ten. Because as soon as they do it, somewhere between zero to a couple of minutes after that, their brain will still be at that lower state. And that’s all you need. So it’s a much easier ask of self to say, I don’t have to be perfect all day. I just need to be perfect when I need to be.
So Janine, this is a fundamentally different way to think about our cognitive and mental wellness. The way that the brain works in terms of a cognitive load. So we have this thing called cognitive load, meaning what is the cognitive load of each day? And unfortunately, this is not good news. Your cognitive load or your stress levels or lack thereof of each day is not the average of the good things and the bad things that happen to you. I wish it were.
Your cognitive load is the biggest spike of your day.
Jannine Krause (42:39.662)
Mm.
Dr. Izzy Justice (42:41.131)
So sometimes when a golfer gets done after a round, I’ll say, hey, how was your round? You know, the first thing is that they’ll tell me.
Jannine Krause (42:51.576)
can imagine. Yep, yep, they’re gonna tell you the worst part and how they feel bad about that. And they were thinking about it.
Dr. Izzy Justice (42:53.291)
The bad shot, right? Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. When I would finish these Ironmans and would go to the tent afterwards and you listen to people talking, I mean, you can just hear it. Everyone’s talking about, oh, you know, at mile 18, this happened and this happened and that happened. It’s all this. But that is what the brain is designed to do. That’s not a flaw in the brain. That’s a really good design because…
know, thousands of years ago when I was a caveman living in the Serengeti in Africa and I was out, you know, in the jungle with my little kids and we saw this beautiful animal come with all this hair and you said, my gosh, let’s go pet it. And as we go pet it, it ate one of my kids because it was a lion. Well, I need to remember for the rest of my life that if I ever see that creature again, I better run. That’s not a friend. So, so the cognitive load of each day.
is not the average of good things and bad things. It’s the biggest spike of your day. And if you take each day and hour to a week or even a lifetime, the cognitive load of your lifetime is not the average of your good experiences and bad experiences. It’s the biggest spike, which for most of us is our trauma. Because our trauma gives us context. So I will always be was as a philosopher from from from Belgium, who I read in a book.
said every human being is the same age inside. And I will always be an eight-year-old boy in Africa scared, scared of living in my own home.
That will always be me. Now, I don’t let that fact now impact my life now. You know, so but it took a long time, good decades to say, OK, that’s the initial context that my brain is going to give to situations. You know, people that I need to trust, people that just are good people. I can’t it’s not fair to them or to my human experience to bring that context, even though my brain is designed to do that.
Dr. Izzy Justice (44:59.741)
I actually acknowledge that and say, okay, what’s the beauty of this moment that I bring? And so in order for me to access that part of my brain, I can do the 10-10. Let’s do another one, shall we? Okay, take your left hand, take both your hands and put them face to face palm each other. Again, don’t start until I say go very loudly, because I want you to experience it. Your left hand is not going to move, Janine, right? So I want you to imagine.
Jannine Krause (45:11.958)
Yeah, let’s do it.
Dr. Izzy Justice (45:26.987)
that the fingers of your right hand are legs and your left hand is a mountain. No, don’t start. And you are going to do six of these. So the first three, you’re going to climb this mountain, your left hand with the fingers of your right hand very fast. First three, one, two, three, very fast. The next three, we’re going to do six. You’re going to climb it very slowly, like so. But as you’re climbing it, I actually want you to feel the sensation in the tip of your fingers of your right hand as well as your palm.
Jannine Krause (45:36.003)
Okay.
Dr. Izzy Justice (45:57.196)
All right, ready? Go. Three fast, three slow.
Dr. Izzy Justice (46:14.955)
Okay, what did three feet of fast feel like?
Jannine Krause (46:18.606)
Fast. Yes.
Dr. Izzy Justice (46:20.521)
Rushed. What did three slow feel like?
Jannine Krause (46:24.864)
Almost, I felt like I was going almost too slow for me. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I could, yep, I could feel my fingertips. Yes.
Dr. Izzy Justice (46:28.853)
Could you feel your hands more?
Dr. Izzy Justice (46:34.411)
So your sensory input was amplified. So if I measured your brain and I measured the brains of people coming out of a yoga class or a meditation session, a mindful session, it would be identical. You would both be at a significantly lower state. Now, how long did it take to do the mountain climbers?
Jannine Krause (46:53.154)
That was probably like a little over 10 seconds.
Dr. Izzy Justice (46:55.627)
Correct. So in 10 seconds, we got you maybe not at 10, but close to 10. Now in the next minute or two that you need to do something to the best of your ability, you’ve increased the odds that you can do that. And what does that mean? Again, it means that for the next minute or two now in this experience right now, I’m talking, right? So you did the Neurac, but I’m talking, but.
In the real world, you do that before you want to do something like reply to an email or over a putt. So sometimes I have golfers do that with their hands with a putter in their hand or a golf club in their hand. It’s very easy to do. Sometimes even basketball players with the ball in their hands. Right. So how often do you have your hands on you, Janine?
Jannine Krause (47:40.302)
24-7.
Dr. Izzy Justice (47:41.804)
There go. So the magic of our senses is that they’re free. They’re free. They’re on us wherever we go. And what we need to get to 10 Hertz is not some bank or some building somewhere else. It’s our own brain, which is also on us.
So the magic of being human and having a very rich human experience is that somehow we have the tools, our senses, and we have what we need to modify on us, our brain. don’t like there’s nothing else that we need. And so in the book, I go through many, many more of these and I try to explain it a little bit more because I was duped. was tricked. I thought that I needed a certain amount of time.
money, resources, geography, access to all kinds of stuff for me to experience the best version of myself. And I regret my twenties and thirties deeply, deeply. If I could literally change my twenties and thirties, I would in a heartbeat. I do not subscribe to the school of thought that says, you know, if I didn’t do that, I wouldn’t be where I am. No, I spend my twenties and thirties and even early forties.
chasing things, bigger things, more of things. All to try to get to 10 when all I needed was already on me. It takes infinitely less to have a rich human experience. I wish I could convince your audience that they don’t need much to have a rich human experience. Whatever you are doing.
If you amplify sensory input wherever you are, in that moment you are seeing more, feeling more, and you’re bringing to it the magic of your past. That’s a rich human experience.
Jannine Krause (49:46.601)
I many things about this statement. One, it’s free. That is something that, you know, we live in a society and I know you don’t love your neurohack term, but biohacking, for example, has all kinds of things that are looking for solutions outside of yourself.
And I think the most important thing that you’re stating here is that you can get you to a state of Hertz in electricity in your brain on your own, that’s free on demand. Yeah, yeah. This is impressive. I’ve used other tools like things that someone else called neuro resets.
Dr. Izzy Justice (50:24.555)
and take seconds.
Jannine Krause (50:36.14)
Like different things where you’re rubbing your hands together, things of this nature. But it’s all been the same motion. So the speed up and slow down component to me is fascinating. And does that seem to be that is that’s the key, the speed up, slow down to try to flip this or no. Okay.
Dr. Izzy Justice (50:51.371)
No. So look, the other thing, and this is sort of level two now is the reason I prefer something that’s actually factual. So 10 Hertz is a real number that you can measure. Flow is not. Zen is not right. Being empowered and confidence is not. Because if you’re at 10, if 10 is where you want to be and you’re at 20, then the amount of work that you need to go from 20 to 10.
is far less than if you were at 80. So the good thing about electricity is that it gives you a scale. So I don’t like flow personally, for me only, because you’re either in it or not. Whereas in reality, you might be closer to it or further away from it. So the different neural hacks that we have, there’s a taxonomy to them. Meaning, if I’m 80 or 90, I need to do things that are going to work faster and more powerful.
So I find that if I’m somewhere between 20 to let’s say 30, 35 Hertz, I can get away with low grade neuro hacks such as breathing. But if I’m at 60, 70, breathing is not going to work. It’ll bring the Hertz down, but not fast enough and not low enough. So breathing is not new. I mean, our ancestors, the yogis and so many different types of breathing, but over and over again, not just my own research, but others.
we find that the spike down of breath work is low. It’s three, seven, eight, nine hertz. Whereas the 1010 is somewhere around 15, 20 hertz. So if I’m at 10, I’m sorry, if I’m at 20, 25, I might do a breathing technique, which doesn’t have a fast slow to it. There’s box breathing, there’s triangle breathing, there are all kinds of ways of breathing, but it’s so much better and empowering to have a scale to work with.
to know what adjustments you have to make. So I teach my golfers and my athletes that, hey, if I miss a two foot putt, you know, that spike is really high. If I miss a 20 foot putt, that’s not a big spike. I’m not supposed to make that. So missing a 20 foot putt, I might make a different adjustment versus making a two foot adjustment. If I miss a two foot putt, the odds that the next tee shot I’m gonna hit in the next hole are going to be really bad is very high.
Dr. Izzy Justice (53:19.531)
Because my brain is saying, my God, I can’t believe I made a million of those. just watched, no, no, no, no. If I miss a 20 foot putt, I’m not having those thoughts. Right? So I prefer, that’s why I’m saying neuroscience was finally the framework that, gosh, not only is it accurate, so in other words, it’s not, what I’m talking to you about is not Dr. Justice. This has nothing to do with me. That’s the beauty of science is that 20 years from now, or other scientists around the world today can replicate what I’m saying.
Go challenge it. And parts of what I might be saying might be right and parts of it might become outdated in five years because there’s no research. You know what? Good. That’s the beauty of being a scientist. We are slaves to knowledge and the human experience, not to our egos.
Jannine Krause (54:09.297)
So I’m kind of thinking of a lot of different things. Of course, now we’re going through my head, so I know I’m not at 10 Hertz. All joking aside, was seeing, you know, on and so folks, Dr. Izzy has a lot of different programs, but Neuro 580 is another one that where online you can see the different, I believe the neuro hacks on the left hand side, you can see how many seconds and then even
the change in the heart, the hurts, but also heart rate is on there too. And something you had mentioned, and this is something that is very important to me, is having a way to measure the tools. Because yes, like you said, flow, what does that mean? I don’t know. And I think for a lot of people, it’s just a contextual word that we hear, but.
if we have a way to measure. So we’ve got now heart rate. HRV, yes, but HRV I think is too long standing. You can’t get it in the moment. But a lot of people can look at their heart rate if they don’t have a way to look at their hurts. So what would you, how would you incorporate heart rate in for someone who’s like, want to test these out and then, you know, see.
Dr. Izzy Justice (55:11.315)
Yeah. What a great question. So there is a flaw. So there is a correlation, but not a causation. as a runner, I mean, I’ve done, I was in swimming. you know, there’ve been times when I’m at zone three, zone four heart rate running. I might be doing some work or, you know, a 10 K and I’m, I’m doing seven minute miles or something like that.
Jannine Krause (55:22.242)
Okay.
Jannine Krause (55:31.022)
Thank
Dr. Izzy Justice (55:39.574)
So even though my heart rate is whatever, 150, 160 BPMs, my EEG is 10. That’s why we call it the runner’s high. So there’s a misconception again, that low heart rate translates to, you know, better performance. Conversely, I could be sitting at a desk.
Jannine Krause (55:49.475)
huh. Yes.
Dr. Izzy Justice (56:04.619)
My heart rate could be very low, like 80, 90 hertz, 80, 90 BPM. I’m sitting at a desk doing an email and suddenly I get a nasty email. Now my heart rate will still be low, but my age is going to be through the roof. So I don’t know that heart rate, because we use heart rate because it’s easier to measure. I mean, we can measure it so many different places in the human body, our wrist, our chest, our neck. There’s so many different places, our fingers, that you can measure heart rate. But…
I think heart rate is good for training, like zone training, which zone you want to train and building endurance and your aerobic engine and your speed work. I don’t know that heart rate necessarily is correlated to the EEG. So there’s a company out of Canada. They use their own device and they use the term flow, but they actually have three biomarkers associated with flow. So one is the heart rate.
The other is the oxygen level in the brain. have an oximeter and the third one is EEG. So they combine, they have an algorithm that combines those three. But generally speaking, again, I think we need to be careful to associate low heart rate with low stress or vice versa high heart rate with stress. Now, sometimes that is the case. If I’m sitting down on a couch and I’m at one…
Jannine Krause (57:19.864)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Izzy Justice (57:30.197)
Whatever 40 50 BPMs. Well, that’s not good. You know what mean? So the heart rate is a heart. Your heart rate is your heart pumping oxygen and blood into the human body in anticipation of something or to do something. That context is set by the brain. If my brain labels something as danger and it might be philosophical danger like a person.
abstract, might be I’m on mile 18 of my marathon. I’m really tired. Like I’m genuinely tired and I can feel pain on my knees and my hips. I’ve been there. I’ve hit the wall, so to speak. You know, so my heart rate is going to work there. But, you know, I would encourage people and you have many athletes there to not be a slave to the biomarker of heart rate.
especially when it comes to correlating that to stress.
Jannine Krause (58:32.77)
Nice. So then instead, we’re looking more at performance as our gauge. You know, are we getting into a state with our brain activity that is slowing us down effectively?
Dr. Izzy Justice (58:49.097)
Yeah. And you can do this subjectively. Like you don’t need a, you know, a fancy EEG device. Like ask yourself, am I calm or am I agitated? Are my thoughts going at a million miles an hour or are they calm? Are they fast or are they slow? Am I having good positive thoughts? Am I remembering the good things that my coach or from my practice or am I remembering bad consequences of what could happen in this moment?
It’s not that hard to assess where your brain is. This self-awareness, that’s what I’m saying. The highest form of human intelligence, in my opinion, is the awareness of where your thoughts are and to be able to give them some type of a number so that you can make the adjustment. I’ve worked with enough professional athletes. We’ve won major championships. We’ve won Olympic medals. I know millions of books have been written about
what makes a great athlete. And my view is that the athlete that can make the right adjustment in competition more often than not is going to win. Because you could have an athlete that has much more talent than another athlete. But if both of those are facing, to use a cliche, some type of an adversity, whichever one can make the adjustment, like an average athlete making the right adjustment is going to
beat a greater athlete who panics every day. And I see this in junior athletics all the time. You’ll see a kid playing very well in whatever sport and then something bad happens and they’re done. They’re done. They’re cooked for the rest of whatever the holes, the game, the tournament, the meat. It’s so predictable now. My son plays golf in college and
Jannine Krause (01:00:18.562)
Dr. Izzy Justice (01:00:43.989)
for over decade, I would take him to a lot of junior tournaments and, you know, and I saw it firsthand and I see it even at the professional levels. The talent differential between a great athlete, which typically we all know by just their first names, and a good or average professional athlete is minuscule, minuscule.
If you look at Michael Jordan, example, arguably the greatest athlete of all time in any sport, he wasn’t the tallest, he wasn’t the fastest. He was not. He didn’t have the best jump shot.
But somehow, you know, he always made the right decisions. And when he took those game winning shots, you could see it. He was in a calm state in the documentary. The Last Dance. This got missed. A lot of people didn’t talk about it because there were just so many juicy parts to that documentary. But one of his people on his team said, you know, what nobody talks about was that the term that he used in the documentary was that Michael Jordan was a mystic.
And so the guy said, well, what do mean he was a mystic? Says, well, every time he played, he was nowhere except there.
Dr. Izzy Justice (01:02:03.985)
And again, that’s a cognitive function. So.
I don’t know that the greatest athletes or the greatest artists or the greatest performers. Another thing that I see that they have in common, and this is sort of sad and tragic in some ways, is that some of the greatest artists, philosophers, inventors, athletes, since the beginning of time.
If, I’m sorry, not some, most.
suffered trauma.
Michael Jordan was cut from his high school team. At his Hall of Fame speech, he brought that up. He literally invited the God that got picked over him at his Hall of Fame speech. He said, you see that guy sitting over there? He got chosen and I got cut.
Dr. Izzy Justice (01:02:58.355)
So in a weird way, Janine, weird way, if we can figure out how to use our trauma, we can do great things. Because it’s the ultimate piece.
We don’t have to be slaves to our trauma. I’ve written 10 books because I suffered horrible trauma. To be abused by your parent, imagine how much faith a child is going to have in people when the very person that’s supposed to love you doesn’t and abuses you.
and 10 books came out of it.
So we shouldn’t be, you know, if you’re lucky, unbelievably lucky, you have no trauma. But most of us are not that lucky. But even if you have trauma, I think finding ways to use it is the ultimate neurohack. It’s your why.
Dr. Izzy Justice (01:04:03.507)
And it brings peace to your brain. But I talk like I literally have the whole chapter in my book. Again, the name of a book is Life Explained, Chasing 10 Hertz. It’s available on on on Amazon. But I have a whole chapter on on on trauma. But it’s not a clinical and it’s not a psychological chapter. It’s a neuroscience one. It’s a functional one.
Jannine Krause (01:04:03.522)
Absolutely.
Jannine Krause (01:04:31.566)
I’m just
Dr. Izzy Justice (01:04:31.709)
I’m trying to get people to embrace their trauma, Janine, which is weird. I know it sounds like an oxymoron, but that’s what I’m trying to do.
Jannine Krause (01:04:39.95)
I don’t think it’s a problem. I I think these are gifts that we’ve been given and yes, it’s a strange way to state that, but I think, I agree. I think that’s what we’re lacking a little bit.
think this is a good gift that you’re bringing to everyone and all of the different books. I mean, we’re perusing through all of them on our own. even the Neuro 580 and all of the things that you have, and we didn’t even talk about the Gyra Golf and all of that. Definitely things that I think, you know.
everyone from someone who’s interested in golf all the way to someone who’s interested in just working and optimizing their health can benefit from. So we gotta tell them about your website, so drizzijustice.com, and then we’ve gotta tell them where else they can find you and all of those things. So I’m gonna turn it over to you now.
Dr. Izzy Justice (01:05:35.135)
Well, thank you. Again, Janine, thank you for having me. I always enjoy having these kinds of conversations. So you can find basically all of my social media handles at drizyjustice.com. My books are there and the app that has a lot more of these neuro hacks I just shared too with you and there are other versions of it. Those are the physical neuro hacks, but there are other types of neuro hacks.
that your brain can consume in just a matter of seconds that can help you get to that same 10 Hertz. But dr.isitjustice.com is where everything is. The name of the app is Neuro 580. It’s available on Android and Apple. my parting thought would be that, you know, no matter what human challenge you face for the rest of your life, I want to convince you that
The first thing that you need to do, irrespective of what challenge you have, the first thing is get your brain towards 10. Don’t worry about step two, don’t worry about step three, because once you get your brain to 10 or close to 10, a 10-hertz 10 brain will figure out the right step two.
And it’s very inspiring and empowering to say, okay, no matter what happens to me, my first response will always be the same.
Jannine Krause (01:07:02.582)
It’s learning the art of self trust on these ones. Yeah, yeah. Dr. Izzy Justice, thank you so much for all of the work you’re doing and bringing us some enlightening things to ponder going forward. I really appreciate you coming on the podcast today.
Dr. Izzy Justice (01:07:20.896)
You got it. Thanks for having me, Jannine
