Ep 622: The Cyclospora Outbreak, Candida and Tips to Put Both in Check with Dr. Michael Biamonte

The parasite behind this summer’s growing Cyclospora outbreak is making headlines, yet one of the biggest misconceptions is how it should be treated. 

In this episode, Dr. Jannine Krause interviews Dr. Michael Biamonte, founder of the Biamonte Center for Clinical Nutrition, author of The Candida Chronicles, and a clinician with more than 30 years of experience treating complex digestive disorders, explains why Cyclospora behaves differently than most parasites and why many popular antiparasitic medications, wormwood, and black walnut are ineffective against it.

We also explore the latest research on nano curcumin, nano silver, and nano copper, discuss why accurate testing is essential for identifying both Cyclospora and candida, and examine how gut health influences everything from hormone balance to chronic viral infections and immune function. Whether you’re interested in gut health or someone struggling with chronic digestive symptoms, this episode offers practical, science-informed insights into identifying the the microbial imbalance that occur within the gut.

Resources from The Show

• The Biamonte Center for Clinical Nutrition
• Dr. Biamonte’s Book “The Candida Chronicles”
• Dr. Jannine Krause

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Podcast Transcript

Jannine Krause (00:00.901)
Doctor Biamante, welcome to the Health Fix podcast.

drbiamonte (00:04.758)
Thank you very much. I’m happy to be here.

Jannine Krause (00:07.277)
Well, I am happy to know that you have some info for us about this whole Cyclospora thing because I’ll be honest, as a doc of almost 20 years, I haven’t really dove into Cyclospora ever. Maybe I heard of it once in my life. So it’s a new thing. It’s something that you know a lot of folks are talking about. And I am super curious how you dove into this.

drbiamonte (00:36.43)
I got curious about it when I started to read the information online that it was starting to spread throughout the country. The latest I knew it was in thirty three states, I believe. And the symptoms appear to be pretty obvious. It’s not something like you you wonder, do you have? Because it seems initially it produces extreme diarrhea and vomiting in a lot of cases.

Jannine Krause (01:00.358)
Yeah.

drbiamonte (01:00.428)
So it’s not the type of thing where you’re you’re getting a Q and A like do I have it or not because I just had gas or something like this. You know, it’s not doesn’t work that way. It seems to be pretty obvious when you have it. And the thing about it’s of course what’s interesting about it is it’s the origin of it seems to be from around the countries around the equator, mostly. South America, et cetera.

It’s always interesting in terms of how these things get spread. But the first data we had on it was that it was in certain produce, particularly lettuce, from this company called Taylor. And the FDA did some testing and they confirmed their assumption that was true. But then Taylor brought in third party testing, which came up negative.

false it was if negative so they got with the FDA and they told them, Look, we think you’re getting false positives on this. So then they went back to investigate it more and then it was found that it was in chicken. So the latest that I heard is Tyson particularly. Tyson chicken was appears to be a big carrier of it. Because when they when they tried to put the assumption forward

that it wasn’t in the lettuce, that’s fine, but then you have to explain the thousands of cases. Well then where did they get this from? Because it’s not in doubt that people have it. And you can get a stool test for it. the incubation time on the parasite seems to be two to ten days. So that means after you eat something that’s contaminated with it, you have like somewhere between two to ten days before it really manifests.

what I find really interesting about it is that as a parasite, it’s it’s pretty unique. It has a very tough outer shell. And unfortunately, the tough outer shell that it has makes it impervious to the standard things that we would wash our produce or our food with. So it doesn’t really make any difference. That the tests show it doesn’t make any difference what you wash your produce or your

Jannine Krause (03:18.086)
Hmm.

drbiamonte (03:25.912)
food in it’s more the the physical act of scrubbing that helps reduce it from your food. Nothing has been found, not vinegar like grapefruit seed extract. There’s nothing hydrogen peroxide, nothing’s been found to make any difference when you wash the the your your food.

Jannine Krause (03:31.781)
Hmm.

Okay.

Jannine Krause (03:45.796)
None of those.

Jannine Krause (03:53.158)
Okay.

drbiamonte (03:53.657)
So it’s actually the friction of scrubbing that seems to loosen it and get it off to some degree.

Jannine Krause (04:01.317)
Wow.

drbiamonte (04:02.488)
Now now the thing that I find most fascinating about the parasite is that none of the traditional things kill it. So if you have the parasite and then you have ivermectin home or fenbendazole or any of the popular antiparasitics that are out now, it’s not gonna do anything. Not gonna put a dent not gonna put a dent in it. And to make matters worse, none of the traditional par antiparasitics like black walnut

Jannine Krause (04:19.867)
Wow.

drbiamonte (04:30.606)
Cloves, herbs, you know, all our all our standard the the standard fare do anything to it.

Jannine Krause (04:38.481)
Why hope?

drbiamonte (04:39.116)
The only thing the only thing that will kill this are sulfur drugs. Bactrum is the is the popular one. So most likely when you go if you have this and you go to the ER or something, they’re gonna give you Bactrum or one or version of Bactrum. It’s usually those two phase sulfur drugs. The the drugs that have two different drugs in the one drug and there you go. I’m I was got v got got very curious about this because some of these sulfur drugs

Well, some of th this is an antibiotic. So if we just talk in simple terms, it’s an antibiotic, and when you take an antibiotic, antibiotic typically destroys things indiscriminately. And when you take an antibiotic, it’s gonna also destroy your your intestinal flora. Now to argue about whether or not Bactrium is worse to in in terms of killing your flora as opposed to some other antibiotic.

That’s something people can debate about. But the th still the fact of the matter is there’s a very strong chance it’s gonna affect your flora. So the the the the scenario that I see happening is the person gets the parasite. They have the diarrhea and the vomiting. They go to their doctor, they get the the the antibiotic, he they treat it, the vomiting and the diarrhea get much better, but now they start

wiping out their flora, so now they start having gas bloating f you know, they start developing candida. So they’re gonna the they’re trading one set of symptoms for another. And the bad thing about this, which which happens with Lyme patients all the time, is because the Lyme patient takes the antibiotic and it kills the this the the spirochete and the Lyme backs off.

They develop Candida and now they confuse having Candida with having Lyme. And the same thing is gonna happen with Cyclosporus. People are gonna start confusing having cyclosporus now with Candida. And y you’re gonna have this this concept now of long COVID and with long COVID. You’ve you’ve got this idea that the COVID has remained in your system to some degree and it’s still affecting you over time, which is not what long COVID is in reality. But you’re gonna have this with cyclosporus is people are gonna

drbiamonte (07:01.186)
Be treated for it, they’re gonna get better because their vomiting and diarrhea will cease. But they’re gonna they may develop candida if it wipes out their flora. So they’re gonna be confused and think they still have the parasite. That’s what we have to watch out for. And unfortunately because mainstream medicine is not so good in understanding candida and the fact that the antibiotics kill bacteria dis indiscriminately and they’re gonna cause candida. Somebody’s gotta be

getting this data out there that hey if you get treated for cyclosporus and your acute symptoms go away but you still feel something’s wrong, it’s pro it’s a side effect of the antibiotic now. That’s what they have to be understand.

Jannine Krause (07:43.257)
That’s that’s huge. And something that, you know, as us alternative medicine providers do, you know, we we deal with this very often. Very often. Now you had mentioned something that I think a lot of people are gonna be like, wait, Doctor Biamonte, tell us about this. COVID long haul COVID isn’t the COVID virus.

drbiamonte (08:03.17)
There’s no s there’s no such thing. No, there’s there’s no such thing as long COVID. Not in that term. why people use the term long COVID is because after COVID’s over, the acute part of it is over, they still feel like something’s wrong. So they call it long covet. we’ve done studies where we’ve tested people for COVID when they were in the long covet phase, so to speak, and they’re negative. They’re negative for COVID. They remain positive for the spike protein.

So if you want to call it long spike, you could you could do that. But the sum effect that we’ve seen with long COVID is people who get COVID typically develop candida. A study out of Germany and one out of there’s a German, a German study, a Spanish study, and I I believe one from England, from Great Britain. No, I’m sorry, it’s not Great Britain, it’s it’s Japan. The studies show that

COVID destroys bifidus bacteria in your colon. So of course this is gonna cause candida. If you if you compromise your bifidus, you’ll get candida. So as far as we can see what long what long COVID is from testing bunches of people, is when you have COVID for a a reasonable period of time, it adversely affects your adrenal glands. So you end up with adrenal insufficiency, you end up with candida, and you still have the spike protein doing whatever its mischief is going to be, which could be a whole

Podcast in itself. to make a long story short, the spike protein screws up your telemeters. So we know a little bit with DNA and whatnot that DNA is basically governed by telemeters. You have a cell and in the cell there’s the DNA who’s like a big Buddha who sits on a big chair and he tells everybody in the cell what to do. Well he’s got this alarm clock sitting next to him that’s called a telemeter.

And the alarm clock is gonna go off when different gene expressions are supposed to happen based on your heredity. So in your family, if you’re supposed to have arthritis in the in your sixties, that’s when the telometer goes off and it’s telling the DNA guy, well now it’s time for this person to have arthritis. Well, what happens with the with the spike protein is the spike protein comes in and screws up the t the telometer. So now it could go off at any second, essentially.

drbiamonte (10:22.018)
That’s to make a long story short, what happens with the spike protein. Brilliant. Whoever t whoever re whoever developed it was pretty smart. We know that cov the history of covet actually goes back into the sixties. Covid was around in the sixties and they were experimenting it with it with it then.

Jannine Krause (10:25.457)
Yeah. Yeah.

Jannine Krause (10:39.418)
Yeah.

drbiamonte (10:39.638)
So I hope I answered I answered your long covet question.

Jannine Krause (10:43.441)
Perfectly. And and brings me to another question that a lot of folks have right now. Is cyclospora, you know, is this some sort of manipulated parasite? Do we know? Any inklings? Okay. Okay.

drbiamonte (10:54.978)
Doesn’t no it doesn’t see that. It’s been a r it’s no, it’s been around for a long time. It’s just that it somehow got into the food chain. How that’s an argument. How it got in, you know, conspiracy theories abound for everything nowadays and rightfully so. ’cause there’s a lot of crooked people and crooked things out there. But but no, no, it doesn’t seem like that was the issue. So going back to the Cyclosporus, people are always curious

Jannine Krause (11:19.537)
But good.

Yeah.

drbiamonte (11:24.802)
What they can do about it. Well, there is research done on mice which show that curcumin in a nanoform will kill this organism. This is the only natural thing that I know of that there’s any study on that will kill it. Now the person listening to me right now is gonna go into their cabinet and they’re gonna get their curcumin out. No, it’s not that’s not gonna do it. The standard curve.

Curcum that you buy has no effect on this. It doesn’t have the potency. It doesn’t have the molecular structure to get into the organism. It has to be curcum in a nanoform. So what nano nano basically means is it’s really small. Nano sized particles are really small. People have heard this term being kicked around in the last couple of years. nano is just really, really small particles. Those particles are small enough to get into this parasite and kill it.

So it has to be nanocurcumin. Now, some research that I’m doing is is indicating that nanosilver and nanocopper can kill it. And we have other data that shows that nanochiticin, if you combine nanochitisin with nanocopper and n nanosilver, you wipe the thing out like like like crazy. You can get arrested for cyclosporus abuse. The problem is nobody makes

Chitison in a nano form that you can buy publicly. You can only get it for research purposes. So don’t don’t go out to your store expecting to find this chitisin there. But you can find nano silver and you can find nano copper and you can find nano curcumin. You can find it online easily if you just do a search for it. Amazon has them. And probably in your local health food store you can find nano curcumin.

Not so sure if you can find the copper and the silver in your health food store. The silver that we use is Argentine twenty three, which is the best nano silver around. Nano the Argentine twenty three is such a small particle and such a low dose that there it’s almost impossible to get it to accumulate in your system. You can take it up to four times per hour if need be. Four doses per hour and indefinitely if you have to.

drbiamonte (13:46.253)
Same thing with the with the the copper that’s made by the same company, the nano copper. So if somebody doesn’t want to take the antibiotic, this is this is definitely an option. The but as I said before, again, Bactrum is kind of the model of the antibiotic that’s used. There are various versions of it, and g and generics of it. But that’s basically what your options are is taking the the sulfur sulfa drug versus trying to find the nano

curcumin nano silver and nano copper. Other than that I don’t know of anything else that will kill it.

Jannine Krause (14:22.843)
Wow. Well, I mean, one of the things I would think about too is we have a lot of people that have sulfur drug allergies. So then it becomes we gotta find some of these things to work with to to help folks. Cause what other option? I mean, I guess they would start trying different things just to see what happened What do we got there? Natocurcumen. There it is. Nanocurcumin. Yep, yep. That’s that is the solution there. And in terms of

drbiamonte (14:45.016)
Nano Curcumin.

Jannine Krause (14:52.569)
of that particular brand. I’m guessing they can find that on your website as well.

drbiamonte (14:55.523)
Mm-hmm.

No, no, no, we don’t sell it. They can find it on Amazon easily. Amazon or in their health food stores probably. Any brand as long as it says nano technically should work if it’s true. If it’s truly nano curcumin, it should work. There’s there’s an issue. Yeah, there there’s an issue nowadays on on Instagram and Facebook with companies selling fake stuff. You know, you you see these commercials about the black

Jannine Krause (15:04.165)
Okay.

Jannine Krause (15:11.023)
Yeah, that’s the that is the tricky part.

drbiamonte (15:27.554)
garlic and how amazing it is, which is true. It is amazing. But that’s if you really get the black garlic. And one thing that I learned recently that I didn’t know is that kaolic garlic is of that is that of that form. So kaolic’s been around for years. And kaolic garlic is aged two years and it is black garlic. That’s a very reputable brand. Then you can you can Google this and ask AI about like what are the reputable brands for

Jannine Krause (15:46.128)
Yeah.

drbiamonte (15:57.091)
for the true black garlic aged they’ll tell you like heolik is.

Jannine Krause (16:03.717)
Huh. I did not know that either and that yeah, that brand’s been around for I’ve been in the game twenty years and it’s been around longer than that. That’s that’s awesome.

drbiamonte (16:06.666)
Yeah. Forever.

drbiamonte (16:12.706)
Yeah. So I don’t and I by the way I have no I have no financial vested interests in any of these companies. I wish I did. Because they’re gonna be they’re gonna be taking off, but I don’t so anyway. So but this is interesting that you have o you have your options. If you don’t want to take the antibiotic and get into the loop

Jannine Krause (16:25.231)
Yeah. Well, you know

Jannine Krause (16:33.935)
Yeah. Yeah.

drbiamonte (16:34.412)
You do have the option of trying to find these these nano products.

Jannine Krause (16:38.383)
I I think that’s awesome. I think that’s awesome. I you know, I’ve got another question for you though, because you know, I am of the conspiracy theory department and I think that certain things are gonna keep coming at us. And that one of the big questions that folks, you know, ask me is what what have I seen as the best immune system support to kind of be antimicrobial in general?

I’m super curious what you guys are finding. Is are we looking at things like the nano silver, nano copper, and and even nano curcumin is kind of one of the things you’d wanna consider as a base preventative at this point?

drbiamonte (17:17.934)
Yeah, I would say so. I definitely because especially because they have zero side effects.

The the the side effects of nano copper, nanosilver, nano curcumin are that you somehow feel better or get healthier because of the properties of the product and the fact that it’s there’s no toxicity. So I would say that’s easily that’s easily done as a as a preventative.

Jannine Krause (17:43.058)
Okay, I think this is huge. I think this is huge. Now we talked about Candida. Candida has been the bane of my existence for many years, working with it with patients and and trying to, you know, eradicate it just in enough time for them to end up with another antibiotic and here we are again, and and doing a lot of cycling in that department. What is your your go-to candida protocol?

drbiamonte (17:49.262)
Mm-hmm.

drbiamonte (18:09.452)
I first first off I’d recommend everybody read my book, which is the Candida Chronicles. And the go to protocol is not a is is not what it sounds like or what you think. It’s more of a procedure. it’s not a magic product. It’s the way you you approach it. So the first thing you learn there are certain axioms you’ll learn from my book as far as eliminating Candida. One of the first is that we have to follow the four R approach.

Jannine Krause (18:21.713)
Mm-hmm.

drbiamonte (18:38.762)
Which bice which which is interesting because the guys up in up in Michigan there, where it was Bridgeport, Michigan, where the metagetics company did a lot of research, they came up with the this approach at the same time I did. In fact I think it was a little bit after. basically what you n what you have to understand with Candida is that it’s very it’s very genetically slippery. And Candida mutates easily. It mutates in a few different fashions. like a chameleon.

Candida is able to flip itself back and forth. So candida can exist as a fungus or it can exist as a yeast. It’s technically called a dimorphic organism, which means two lives. So candida can switch itself back and forth from fungus to yeast, fungus to yeast. Candida also genetically can flip to become drug resistant very easily. I knew an oncology surgeon who was

h he was dead against treating anybody for candida because he was afraid it would it would mutate into a a more resistive form. And I I had it I explained to him really what I gave him a copy of the book actually which explains this. And but this this is why most treatments fail is people take the same medication every day and then they can’t they f at in the beginning this is a story we hear and you on our website we have a video that dramatizes us.

But the story is the person was being treated for candida with nystatin or something, and they felt amazing for about two weeks or three weeks, and then they stopped improving, and then a few weeks later it started to come back. So the doctor increased the dose higher and that made it worse. Came back then even stronger. So Candida mutates after twenty one days of being exposed to the same antifungal, whether it’s a pharmaceutical or an herb, whatever.

As long as the the substance has a pharmaceutical action or a chemotherapeutic action against the candida, it mutates in twenty-one days. It starts to the mother cells start to tell the daughter cells what to do not to be killed by this drug. So when you have a candida protocol that you’re giving the person that they’re taking the things every day, you’re doomed. That’s that’s what’s gonna happen. Originally in my office, when I was on Fulton Street in Manhattan,

Jannine Krause (20:51.408)
Wow.

drbiamonte (21:04.428)
We had a little laboratory there and we would take people’s stool samples and we would incubate them to see which strain of candida they had. And what was fascinating is all the people that came in who were referred by like Dr. Hoffman or Dr. Atkins or whoever in Manhattan who had candida, who were being treated for Candida unsuccessfully, all of those people had Candida Galbrata or Candida Tropicalis. Candida tropicalis was the main species we saw. The people who came to me

For other problems who didn’t know what Candida was, all had Candida albicans.

drbiamonte (21:42.191)
So here’s the sort of sort of the mini proof that they were all all these strains of Candida were were flipping genetically. So the first thing you have to learn is that you have to rotate the antifungals that you use. We switch them around every four days. We typically pick on our on our first phase of Candida elimination, we pick four antifungals. We rot them rotate them four days each until we have the indicators they’re finished with that phase. our program starts out though.

with phase zero. And phase zero is a is a group of products that I formulated which mechanically start to eliminate the surface layers of Candida. And the longer you’re on phase zero, the deeper it goes into your mucosa to eliminate the layers of Candida and protozoa and bad bacteria and stuff. We have the person do that for a month to set them up because if you dive right into the first phase you could get a lot of Herx reactions. We find the

These products are also formulated to reduce her. So the person does that for a month, that sets them up, it gets a good foundation. Then they go on phase one where they rotate the the the herbs that kill the candida systemically. They do that until we have the indications from the testing that we do that they’re finished with that. Then they go to phase two. And on phase two we use different antifungals that kill the candida more deeper in your mucosa. We use things like caprylic acid.

Undeselenic acid, monolorin, butyrate, because these are all fatty acid antifungals that are able to really permeate your deep intestinal tract in order to get rid of the roots of the candida, if you want to look at it that way. All the other herbs can kill the candida very nicely, but the problem is they can’t go really deep like the fatty acids can, because the fatty acids naturally can enter the cell as an as a nutrient almost. And because of their antifungal properties, they can then l really kill the candida.

So when that phase is over, now we have a choice. If the person has leaky gut, we have to handle the leaky gut. If they don’t have leaky gut, we can start replacing their flora. So this this goes back down to we’re stretching the four R’s a little bit. It’s remove and now repair. And then it’s going to be replace. So after we repair the gut, we then give them the probiotics.

Jannine Krause (23:59.152)
Mm-hmm.

drbiamonte (24:06.646)
If you try giving somebody with leaky gut probiotics, you’re going to have a hot time in the old town tonight because all that f that flora is going to go into their bloodstream. They’re going to go autoimmune. They typically will have bad reactions. That’s a sign of somebody who has leaky gut is somebody who can’t tolerate probiotics. And it’s because they have leaky gut. So you have to handle the leaky gut. And there’s many products out there that can do that. But you have to test them. You cannot listen to the patient. The patient is going to tell you.

I’ve heard the story a million times. They have the worst leaky gut you have ever heard of in your whole career. They’ve been treating leaky gut for 10 years and it’s never gotten better. And often when you test these people, you find out they don’t have leaky gut. They’re just confusing mast cell activation from mass cell activation and cytokines that they have from the massive candida and dysbiosis they have, they’re confusing that with leaky gut. So when you do a zonulin protein test on the person.

If they have leaky gut, then you put them on the various products that all the companies offer. and you you do that until you get a negative on the zonnulin. Now you can put them on the probiotics. And when you do that, when you put them on the probiotics, you have to make sure that you put them on an array of prebiotics too. They need to take FOS, they need to take inulin, they need to take a proper fiber for the probiotics to feed on, and blah, blah, blah. Now, initially, when they do that, they’re gonna get gas and bloating.

And then about a month later the gas and bloating will really improve and that’s a good sign that the probiotics have settled in and they’re cool.

So now the first thing you wanna do is you wanna test this person for toxicity. You wanna do something like the tox detect from from mosaic. You wanna do a hair analysis to look for c copper, iron, arsenic, mercury. You wanna look for toxicity that could cause this candida to return.

Jannine Krause (26:02.129)
okay, so toxicity can big toxicity connection.

drbiamonte (26:05.882)
And will was gonna co is gonna make it and you also want to look for deficiencies, like if they’re deficient in magnesium and zinc and selenium and copper, those are things that could also make it easier to develop Candida. an interesting thing on a hair test is you find if you find very low cobalt and very low iron and low copper, that also that often can be an indication that they have candida. And if you find high mercury and copper, that could be an indication they have candida.

But that’s only that’s not something I would go by. You you have to go by an actual test. So the then people ask me usually what’s the best test. Well stool tests, I’ve j I’ve just recently in my in my second book I’m writing a chapter about how inaccurate stool tests are, unless you really know what to look at. And then it’s only suggestive.

drbiamonte (27:01.472)
It it’s an inference. In engineering it would be called an inference test. It means to infer. So if you get a stool test, if GI map on somebody, let’s say, and they don’t have any lactobacillus, they don’t have any bifidus, right? let’s say they’re fatty acids, essential fatty acids are very low. Their butyrates low. If they do a stool pH and the stool pH is above seven point four, let’s say it’s seven point six, seven point seven.

If they have other past pathogens like klebsiella, Citrobacter, Staphorus, Pseudomonas, if they have really bad flora, very good chance this person has Candida that that we’re talking about here. The stool profile. Very good chance. But does it show in the stool? No. If you use doctor’s data, a stool test from doctor’s data, they almost always on all their tests do a microscopy study and they’ll tell you if they find yeast.

So they can find no none to many. Now, if they find yeast, but they don’t culture any, that’s the same thing. You see, finding yeast cells that are dead means they were once alive, and that means that this person has a yeast overgrowth. So that’s from a stool test you can take. But other than that, if you don’t do a microscopic study of yeast, you don’t know because the culture is going to show negative most of the time.

You you continually will get false negatives on a stool test, and here is why. Candida doesn’t grow in your intestinal tract in a uniform manner the way bacteria does. Bacteria grows in your intestinal tract like moss going up a building. Cover it covers it nicely. Candida grows in sp body blotches. So if you could get a flashlight and walk through the intestinal tract, you would see, you know, nice flora, everything here, and then all of a sudden you’d come to this glob of biofilm.

That has protozoa in it and yeast growing and bacteria, and it’s all coated with biofilm. You see this for a few feet, and then you continue walking, and now it’s clear again. And you walk another few feet and then you’re gonna come up to another one of these blobs. That’s how Candida grows. It also will tend to grow in your flexures, hepatic flexure and the splenic flexure. So it can grow there and parasites can get in there, and you can it can have it can be in the region of worms, which is your transverse colon.

drbiamonte (29:26.422)
So it has its spots that it grows in, but the the mo the bottom line is it doesn’t grow in a uniform manner. And because of that, there’s no guarantee that that stool sample you pick up that day is gonna have contact long enough with the colonies of Candida to then be replicable.

That’s what the bottom line is.

Jannine Krause (29:46.297)
It makes it makes sense. I have long w wondered about that.

drbiamonte (29:49.743)
So what you have to do about that, yeah, that’s why. That’s why. So you have to look at the profile. Does this person’s stool test fit the profile? And the profile is a lack of friendly bacteria, including E. coli. You’re into gram positive and gram negative. So you have gram negative E. coli, which represents maybe half the person’s flora or more. So you’ve had gram gram negative E. coli, gram positive bifidus and lactobacillus acidophilus.

And then you have the pH and you have the fatty acids. So you have this whole profile. So if they fit that profile, it’s probably 90% that they have candida. How could a person not develop candida when they don’t have friendly flora? But how you know for sure is very simple. If you combine your stool test, this is what I tend to do combine the stool test with an oats test. And you then look at the arabinose.

So if the person has positive arabanose and they have a stool profile like this, then that’s that’s all that’s all you need. In court, you’d have you’d have no argument. And so then then you can proceed. Now I’m lucky. I developed a urine test, which is unique to my practice many years ago. This is going on probably forty, forty years already. We have a urine test which which has a three primary things we look at. we look at free radicals.

in the urine that are alcohol driven. That’s known as the oxidator test, which you can buy commercially. We look at their end endocine, urinary endocrin, and we have a reagent that was developed a long time ago by a doctor I know, and this reagent will react to parasite wastes and candida wastes. And what you what you when you put urine in a test tube and you add this reagent, the urine suddenly becomes solid.

it’ll be it’ll become like r curdled. And there are different degrees of curdling depending on how bad this is. So we have this urine test at our Beck and Claw that we can put do on the patient at any time. In fact we have patients do it at home all the time to measure their progress. So we don’t have to repeat the stool test and the Oates test all the time. We do that in the beginning to get a firm clarification. And then as they’re going through the program we have them do this urine test so we can monitor what’s happening.

drbiamonte (32:14.358)
And that’s how we know when I was saying before about moving them from one phase to the next, that’s how we know. We can move them from this phase now to the next one because from doing this for so long and using this urine test for so long, there are certain changes that we ex that we see after each phase is over. Certain things are going to shift and move and so we know. And that’s how we’re able to move them. But I think the moral of the story is you’ve gotta be able to test the person to know for sure what you’re doing.

Because if you you can get in some cases other organisms which could mimic candida. And you could also have to remember that when you have candida, the mess that your biome is in to support candida will easily then support other organisms. So it’s this is why I like to use the word dysbiosis. Dysbiosis is the correct term. The definition of dysbiosis is that you have an imbalance

between the sum aggregate of all the good organisms, the good friendly flora, and the bad ones. So the bad one, the bad actors have all taken over. And those actors, it could be many different ones. Like we very typically see in a chronic candida patient, H. pylorae, which is one of the worst combinations you could have. If you go online and you Google this, H. pylora and candida together are very bad. They have some kind of weird synergy. I I noticed this back in the nineties.

I had no way I couldn’t explain it. All I knew was it was harder to get rid of candida on the people who had H. pylori. Now there are studies coming out from the universities that are actually clarifying why that is. But but you’re gonna find bottom line is is if the person’s floor is in bad shape, they’re gonna have dysbiosis, they’re gonna have multiple bad guys. So you have to use things that are gonna be able to kill not just yeast, but has you have to kill some of these bacteria.

So and part of my new book is gonna be showing people how you take a stool test, you look at the bacteria that are there, the the the dysbiotic pathogens, and you select what herbs you can select that are gonna be more effective against those bacteria that are also antifungal. So if you have somebody you have somebody, let’s say, who has Candida and Klebsiella, you’re gonna you’re gonna look on a chart for what herbs also kill klebsiella.

Jannine Krause (34:28.313)
Hmm.

drbiamonte (34:37.824)
And then you use their those herbs in your protocol against the candida. And that’s one of the ways you want to select what you’re going to take is by what is the other flora gut doing. So if you ha some people have very complex flora. We have a pa patient recently who had Staphorus, Klebsiella, Pseudomonas, Citrobacter frondi, a whole host of of of bad microbes. And it took a little bit of time to find

Herbal products that would kill all those bacteria and the candida. But that’s the way you need to look at it. You need because if you don’t kill the bacterial pathogens, they’ll continue to imbalance your flora. or let’s say bacteria like klebsiella will prevent your friendly bacteria from coming back. So that’s gonna allow the candida to come back, you see?

So you’ve gotta see you’ve gotta kill them all and in doing that this is the best way to do it is look at what bacteria they have, select products that are antifungal that will also kill those bacteria.

Jannine Krause (35:43.096)
Makes sense. Makes perfect sense to have that, you know, two prong, maybe three if we think of it in terms of a holistic type of approach to to really go after stuff. Wow. Wow. So many things. So many things. And, you know, right now in I feel like almost every patient that’s walking into my office is showing signs of some sort of

Candida or MCAS, you know, histamines are all over the place. Granted, I see a lot of women who are in the hormone space in terms of perimenopause, menopause, but I feel like there is some switch connected to hormones too and and candida. Have you noticed?

drbiamonte (36:26.532)
yeah, well we know that we know that candida is very estrogenic.

Candida s candida sensitizes your estrogen receptors. It it itself is an estrogenic organism. Estrogen makes it grow and it sensitizes your body to the effects of estrogen. We know that about Candida. So that’s that’s a no brainer right there.

Jannine Krause (36:45.52)
Wow.

Wow. And in terms of men on testosterone and back conversion of estrogens going very high, what have you seen in that case of working on Candida in the body? Obviously testing, but if they do have it.

drbiamonte (37:04.802)
Yeah, yeah, that’s it’s a you know, an an aromatase issue where they’re converting the testosterone into estrogen and it’s much easier for them to do that if they have candida. So it becomes a a double edged sword. if you if your estrogen if a man has estrogen he can develop candida. And if a man has candida he can develop excess estrogen. It goes both ways. So you you just have to handle it. You have to get that under control.

Jannine Krause (37:33.958)
Wow.

drbiamonte (37:34.293)
but it’s a but there there are a lot of see no that in my book all of this is in my book because there’s so much regarding this. And then as as far as these basic rules I was talking about before, like you don’t try to handle leaky gut until you first have disinfected to some degree the candida. You don’t give the person probiotics until you handle the leaky gut. If you try to give somebody probiotics who has active dysbiosis that they don’t stick.

It’s a waste of time. If you give the person a lot of vitamins, you’ll make them worse. There are certain vitamins that worsen candida. There are other vitamins which will stop the antifungals from working, which is generally most antioxidants, because most antifungals, whether they’re prescription or herbal, are technically classified as chemotherapeutic. So anything that’s chemotherapeutic, antioxidants, stop.

Jannine Krause (38:26.373)
Mm, mm-hmm.

drbiamonte (38:33.112)
Because the whole purpose is to produce free radical damage to the membrane of the organism. This is how, like regular chemotherapy for cancer, it works by creating free radical damage on the cancer membrane. And that is true of just all chemotherapy. And the same thing is true with a lot of antiparasitics and antifungals. They’re trying to create free radical damage on the Candida membrane to kill it. The problem is vitamin D.

really strengthens candida. There are certain drugs that actually work to kill the candida by interrupting the candida’s ability to absorb vitamin D. Niastatin interrupts the candida’s ability to absorb iron. You see? So if you’re giving your candida patient iron and vitamin D while you’re treating them, well the candida is very happy with you, but it’s not really going to go anywhere at that point because you’re feeding it. And same thing would be true with the antioxidants. So

It’s in order you have to know all the tricks. This is why it’s hard to get rid of Candida, is because there’s just so many tricks. And unless you know them all, it’s you’re giving the Candida an edge. But once you know all the tricks and you can control totally control the environment, then you can get rid of the candida. It’s actually not that hard. You just have to know all the tricks and have everything in place.

Jannine Krause (39:54.222)
And and of course, you know, I’ve had people come into me who’ve been trying to eradicate a candida in their body for decades. And so hearing you say, like, it’s not that hard, I’m going, okay, we’ve got your book. We can start there. I’m sure folks are probably also going, like, huh, the urine test. That would be useful to know what’s going on. How on average, because I know we have all kinds of different

folks with different kind of things going on. On average, a moderate case of candida that’s probably been around for a long time, how long would someone be treating themselves? How long on average would it take?

drbiamonte (40:35.851)
Nine months to a year.

Jannine Krause (40:37.531)
Okay. Yeah, not decades.

drbiamonte (40:40.002)
Phase phase zero they’d wanna do for they’d wanna do phase zero for a month. Phase one usually is two months, phase two is usually two months. Lee handling leaky gut could be three. And getting your probiotics back in is at least there’s an initial month where it there’s a lot of activity acutely in getting the probiotics to replicate, but then after that you need a maintenance of about three months to make sure they’re back. So when you add it all up, I’d say you

When you add it all up and you throw in the person’s gonna go on vacation, they’re gonna have weddings, they’re gonna have this and that, you’re probably looking at a year.

Jannine Krause (41:17.169)
That’s not bad compared to a lot of of what I’ve seen, you know, decades of of dealing with it. So when is your new book coming out?

drbiamonte (41:23.326)
Yeah. Sh it shouldn’t t it shouldn’t take I that probably next year. It’s probably gonna be next year. It’s still because it’s it it’s interesting. We’re trying to cover things that weren’t covered in the first book and particularly this methodology of how you interpret the stool test because this is something people need to know. Doctors need to know this because so many doctors look at a stool test and they say, No, you you don’t have Candida

And that’s the end of the story, which is which is hysterical. But if the if you were to do see, people need to get in the habit of doing the stool test to understand the biome and doing something else to identify candida, whether it’s gonna be dark field testing, whether it’s gonna be the oats test, whether it’s even gonna be antibody testing. Years ago we had the Candosphere test.

Which was a blood test that looked at all the candida antibodies and it looked at the cytotoxic proteins the candida would release. That was a great test. I think it exists somewhere under a different name right now. But the problem with that test is that for nine months after you eliminate the candida, the test still shows positive on the person because of the antibodies remaining elevated. It’s like Epstein Barr virus. You you get a person who tests for Epstein Barr.

And the IgG is going to be elevated indefinitely. And this is this is another one of my annoy the something I find very annoying in the in the field is that people don’t know how to interpret an Epstein Bar blood test. So you have basically two antibodies you’re worried about, IgG and IgM. So IgG is the antibody which will remain elevated when you have can when you have Epstein Bor.

When you’ve had Epstein Barr, your IgG is going to elevate it, it’s going to stay elevated. IgM is the one that tells you you have a present infection. So when a doctor looks at an Epstein Barr test and he sees IgG positive and he goes, you have Epstein Bar, he’s it’s he she he has to say, you had Epstein Bar. Now, if you’re following the person’s IgG and you some at some point in time get it increased by four about four times, it’s reactivating.

drbiamonte (43:42.881)
And then shortly after that, you’ll see the IgM then go positive again. That’s how you interpret an Epstein Bar test. You don’t say you have can’t you don’t have you have Epstein Bar because your IgG is elevated. That’s not true. It’s telling you past infection, but it will increase probably fourfold if the Epstein bar starts to reactivate, but then at the same time, you’re gonna get the IgM go positive. So that’s how you’re gonna know.

Jannine Krause (43:56.241)
Yeah.

Jannine Krause (44:09.487)
Yeah. Very important, very important distinguishing factor. And I think a lot of patients will have the test on and come to me and also have that same kind of question. So

drbiamonte (44:19.704)
Do they say the same thing to you? I have it I have Epstein Bar, look at my IGG. Yeah, well. It’s wrong. It’s not it’s not right.

Jannine Krause (44:23.759)
Yeah, unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there’s a lot of confusion between reactivated and old just you had it and and you know, some years ago.

drbiamonte (44:33.678)
Right. Now this that’s the problem with the candosphere test, is that for about nine months it’s still gonna show positive. I mean the the antibodies h hopefully slowly reduce in people, but it’s different for everybody, but definitely it’s not it’s not a test or real time test like a rabinose would be, or any of the organic acids. The organic acids are being produced from the organism being there, and when the organism is not there, they’re not there.

Jannine Krause (45:00.421)
Yeah. I love the organic acids test for for this at this point because I’ve kind of gotten away a little bit from the stool testing. But now you’re kind of making sense like with the club Ciella and I’m going, Yeah, yeah, that fits the bill of what I’ve seen and been like, There’s no candida showing up. But yes, I think it because of exactly what you’re saying, lolacto. I’ll

drbiamonte (45:11.054)
Mm.

drbiamonte (45:22.732)
Yeah, it’s the it’s the pr it’s the profile. So I’m working right now on a organic acid test for parasites for protozoa and and worms. And I’m trying to get mosaic labs interested in putting this test through a trial. So if anybody out there, if you can do me a favor, call mosaic labs and ask them, do you have Dr. Biamanti’s organic acid parasite test yet?

Jannine Krause (45:29.997)
Mm.

drbiamonte (45:48.057)
They’ll say no, no, we don’t and then they’ll probably go back to the the people over there in tech and say, gee, we’re getting claws about this. Maybe we should speed up looking into this. But this would be awesome if they would do this test. Yeah, I would too. I would love to have it too. So that the the panel will have specific organic acids which are found to be elevated at with parasites. And that’s a much better that’s a much better go than anything else we have right now because that’s probably the most

Jannine Krause (45:58.449)
I would love.

drbiamonte (46:16.77)
The slippery thing to look for. years ago we had Dr. Cahill. Cahill, Dr. what was the other Dr. Bueno in Manhattan, and there was one other one other fellow and passed away. I’m sorry I don’t remember his name. But we had at least three doctors who did the rectal swab test, which is probably the most accurate test you can do for candy for parasites. This is where

Jannine Krause (46:39.641)
Mm.

drbiamonte (46:44.706)
The person goes right to the doctor’s office. The doctor takes a mucosal swab of their rectum and puts it under the microscope right then and there. And he looks to see what they’ve got going on. And that’s the most accurate test for parasites that exists. The secondary test to that would be like looking at your uric acid level in your blood or some or some other things, or my organic acid test if it ever gets off the ground. That would be secondary.

But as far as actually looking for it, that would be the best way to go. But those all those fellows are gone. They’re they’re not around anymore.

Jannine Krause (47:22.585)
Man, that is hard. That is hard. Yeah, it’s testing is is tricky and and I’m I’m glad that you’re diving into it and seeing what you can do. I definitely am curious about the urine test that you have and and so folks can order it on your website. They can get a hold of it or they need to be in a program with you.

drbiamonte (47:40.099)
No. No, no, no, no. Yeah, no, we don’t give the urine test. We tried that once and it was a disaster. Because we had people calling, jamming our phone lines all day, asking about interpretation of the test. They weren’t sure how to interpret it. Even though it comes with full color diagrams and everything, they still weren’t sure and they were jamming our phone lines up. So really really well we only use the test on people who are actual patients on our program.

Jannine Krause (47:55.009)
Jannine Krause (48:08.069)
Gotcha. Well, you know, I think folks right now are probably like Dr. Biamonte. Let’s talk about how they can work with you, how they can get more information, where they can find you. Let’s share all of that.

drbiamonte (48:19.596)
Only can f they can find me on Facebook, they can find me on Instagram, they can find me on the web. If you go to my website, which is health dash truth dot com. You can also find me at the New York City Candida Doctor website and the New York City Thyroid Doctor, which is kinda crazy ’cause I’m not in New York City anymore, but the websites do remain. And the reason why I have a thyroid website is interesting.

It’s because there’s such a relationship between Candida and Thyroid that I had to actually start a website devoted to that.

Jannine Krause (48:55.205)
I I would imagine and and correct me if I’m wrong because this is just something I’ve observed, but I have noticed that one, thyroid conditions are tricky to treat and wax and wane may be wax and wane of candida and and what it’s doing. Is that what wha have I been thinking this thought length?

drbiamonte (49:12.44)
Can’t yeah, Candida and Hashimoto’s. Hashimoto’s and Candida are the major connection. So we have that. And then there’s a lot of good information out there on that, on the internet, that people can look up, especially on Instagram. but nonetheless, that’s where they can find me. And we’d be happy to give information to anyone. Well my book is on Amazon, like everything else is.

Jannine Krause (49:33.349)
Good deal. And your book that

Perfect. Perfect.

drbiamonte (49:40.694)
It’s the Candida Chronicles. They can find it there on Amazon. And like next year the the second book, the companion book, which is more of a how to do it. Like the first book is more the theory of everything going on. And it’s the first book does have some how to do it, but the second book is going to be devoted in how you do it.

Jannine Krause (50:03.055)
Makes sense. Makes sense. Well, thank you so much for for putting in the hard work and and figuring this stuff out and definitely giving some insight on the cyclospora situation too for us because I think a lot of folks are really worried.

and and wanting to have something they can do for backup. So I sincerely appreciate that. And thank you so much for all your information. We’re gonna put everything down below in the podcast notes there at Dr J KrausND dot com, but also if you’re watching on YouTube, it’s gonna be down below there as well. Doctor Biamante, thank you so much. I sincerely appreciate it.

drbiamonte (50:38.438)
you’re welcome. My pleasure.