Ep 563: Aging like a BOSS with ESS-60 and Chris Burres

In this episode of The Health Fix Podcast, Dr. Jannine Krause dives into the world of carbon nanomaterials with scientist and entrepreneur Chris Burres, co-founder of MyVitalC. They unpack the discovery and health applications of ESS-60, a powerful molecule with antioxidant and mitochondrial-supportive properties.

From its origins in candle soot to it’s promising impact on oxidative stress, detoxification, hormone health, and menopause symptom relief, Chris explains the science behind ESS-60 in everyday language. He introduces the BOSS theory (Buffering Oxidative Stress System) and shares real-life testimonials, including his wife’s midlife transformation using the product.

This episode is a must-listen if you’re navigating perimenopause, managing inflammation, exploring biological age testing, or just curious about cutting-edge supplements like Vital C. 💡

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🔥 Takeaways:

• ESS-60 extended lifespan in lab animals
• Users report better sleep, focus, energy, and recovery
• Safe for daily use, but start low and titrate
• Reduces oxidative stress and boosts glutathione pathways
• Combining with red light, PEMF, and hormone support may enhance results

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🛠 Resources & Mentions:

• MyVitalC Website: https://www.myvitalc.com/healthfix
• Follow Chris Burres on Instagram – HERE
  
  
• The book – The Most Beautiful Molecule – book on ESS-60
• Chris Burres’ Podcast – Live Beyond The Norms
• MyVitalC – on Facebook 

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Podcast Transcript

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Carbon Nanomaterials
05:43 The Discovery of Fullerenes
08:36 Health Benefits of ESS-60
11:34 Detoxification and Mitochondrial Health
14:22 The Science Behind ESS-60
17:10 The Journey into the Health Space
19:40 Testimonials and Real-World Applications
22:32 The BOSS Theory Explained
25:28 Managing Stress and Aging
28:03 Support for Women in Menopause
34:56 Introduction to Marissa and Her Social Media Presence
35:38 Exploring Glutathione and Its Precursors
37:49 The Impact of Mitochondria on Hormones
39:07 Real-Life Testimonials and Effects of Vital C
42:22 Scientific Studies and Sleep Improvement
44:08 Marketing Strategies and Product Positioning
46:09 Cycling and Dosing Recommendations
50:19 Addressing Sensitivities and Side Effects
53:48 Daily Use and Long-Term Benefits
59:44 Inflammation and Biological Age Testing
01:02:12 Final Thoughts and Call to Action
01:07:41 Outro THFP 2022.mp3

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Dr. Jannine Krause (00:01.198)
Hey, Hill Junkies, I have Chris Burr as on today and he’s a scientist. He’s an entrepreneur and he’s got expertise in carbon nanomaterials. He’s the founder of My Vital C. And as you can tell, he’s got his scientist coat on there. So he is working it today. We’ve had some great laughs already. You guys are gonna love this podcast. Chris, welcome to the Health Effects Podcast.

Chris Burres (00:21.464)
Dr. J, thank you so much for having me here. I’m excited to dive into technology. Yes, I do actually have a lab and I work in a lab. Sometimes people say, is that Dr. Chris? No, I don’t want any, like this is not intended to be futile anyone. I just often come out of the lab and hop onto a podcast. So, I’m glad to be here, glad to be sharing some really cool technology with you and your audience.

Dr. Jannine Krause (00:44.452)
Yeah, I’m looking forward to it, because as I said before we hit record, I’m like, OK, I’ve heard of Carbon 60 technology. I have actually not tried it myself. Some patients have talked about it, but I don’t think a lot of my group really is up to speed on it. So I am very excited to really dive into this, because a lot of people are going to be like, Carbon, isn’t that like what you get in ashes when you burn some stuff? We are made of carbon, though, right?

Chris Burres (01:11.97)
Yeah, yeah, no, we’re significant, we’re called carbon beings for a reason, right? We’re not silica beings, which is, think scientists theorize would be the other alternative if carbon wasn’t available. And you mentioned soot. This is a great place to start. This molecule we’re gonna be talking about today is a naturally occurring molecule. If you collect the soot from a candle flame, right? And so typically you just put a cold steel plate over a candle flame. That dark, dark soot has parts per million or parts per billion.

of the ES, what we call ESS-60 molecule. And I’ll explain how we feel we’re different than carbon-60 and why we really kind of came up with the moniker of ESS-60. But yeah, you can find this in parts per million, parts per billion in the soot of a candle.

Dr. Jannine Krause (01:57.764)
Okay, so before we have people licking the soot of candles and things like that, we better move into like, okay.

Chris Burres (02:01.75)
Hahaha!

Wait, wait, so you’re appealing to junkies, health junkies, right? We’ve got another type of junkies, maybe with white powder all over their face. Now we’ve got this carbon powder all over our face. There’s so many parallels going on here.

Dr. Jannine Krause (02:21.316)
You know, and being a health junkie, and I think you could probably relate, we’ve tried some things, right? We’ve tried things to see what happens with our body. We’ve tried different experiments and you know, that’s entirely why I say these things, because let’s face it, we’re all on our own journeys of figuring out what works for us. And you know, I’m not below licking certain things if it may be helpful for me in certain cases. Now I know that’s gonna, a lot of folks are gonna have some, lots of things to think about what I just said. You guys can think of whatever you want.

Chris Burres (02:48.59)
That’s their fault. That’s not our fault. We didn’t do that.

Dr. Jannine Krause (02:50.85)
that I’m not at all. So tell us a little bit about like, how did we realize that like, okay, we have benefits with carbon. Like what was the idea in the first place? Where it was like you and also now I’m forgetting Dr. Fuller, if I remember there.

Chris Burres (03:12.686)
Well, it’s Buckminster Fuller is the guy who brought the geodesic dome to prominence. So he didn’t actually invent it. He brought it or patented. He brought it to prominence and the whole collection of molecules we’re about to talk about is named after Fuller and they’re called Fullerenes and carbon 60 is the most abundant. The next is carbon 70 and then 76 and on up and kind of

Dr. Jannine Krause (03:21.58)
Okay. Okay.

Chris Burres (03:36.526)
Definitely even numbers, you know, varying, it’s not every even number that the shape comes together. And the whole thing is serendipitous, right? The whole thing is serendipitous, how they ended up discovering it, how it ended up getting into the health space. And I’ll start right there. There was a scientist in the UK, Dr. Harold Croto, who’s an astrophysicist, right? So how many times does our conversation with health junkies start with an astrophysicist?

Dr. Jannine Krause (03:54.434)
Yeah.

Chris Burres (04:05.73)
He’s looking out into space and he’s seeing a spectra that he doesn’t understand what it is. And he has this suspicion that it’s related to carbon. He knows this Dr. Smalley at Rice University here in Houston, that’s where we’re based. And he comes to Dr. Smalley has this really amazing piece of equipment. It’s like the A2P something, right? It could have been R2D2, right? Basically this equipment will shine a laser at a sample, which will vaporize that sample.

and then a puff of inert gas will take what was vaporized into a mass spectrometer and measure the weight of every single molecule that was created, right? So pretty heavy, heavy duty stuff, right? He comes over and he says, Dr. Smalley, I think the spectra out in space is carbon. I’d love for you to put carbon in your machine and try it. And Dr. Smalley was like, I’m not putting boring carbon in my machine. Like that’s a boring, boring molecule.

I’m working with sexy things like titanium and exotic alloys. We’re not putting boring carbon. So Harold Croto goes away, kind of rebuked, comes back, asks Dr. Smalley again. Again, Dr. Smalley says, no, I’m not putting boring carbon in my machine. Again, Harold Croto, who actually is now knighted, he was knighted because these three scientists, there’s one other one I haven’t mentioned yet, won the Nobel Prize. So it’s Sir Harold Croto comes back, not Sir at the time.

Dr. Jannine Krause (05:24.164)
Thank

Chris Burres (05:31.31)
And he asks again, and yet again, Dr. Smalley says no. But one of Dr. Smalley’s graduate students, guy by the name of Heath, he says, listen, I’m coming over the weekend. I’ll put your boring carbon in our machine and I’ll laser blade it and we’ll look at it. And what they thought, because it’s measuring the number of atoms in every molecule that’s getting puffed into that mass spectrometer,

They think they’re looking, I’m sorry I’m getting really sciencey here, I’ll stop soon. They’re thinking they’re just making flat sheets of carbon, actually graphene, graphene. But there was a peak at 60 and also a little peak at 70 and he was able to tweak it, the settings of the machine, the pressures and how quickly the gas pumped and he was actually able to increase the peak at 60 and at 70. Now if you think you’re making just flat sheets of carbon, right, little pieces of graphite, graphene,

Why would there be a graphite sheet of 60 more prominent than a 59 or a 61? And there is no reason, right? If they’re all flat sheets, they all have the kind of the same energy of formation. And so they start digging in and ultimately they figure out that this molecule looks like this thing that I’m holding up. Now, if you’re listening, don’t worry, you don’t have to find a screen, although you should check out this molecule, it’s pretty beautiful. Imagine a soccer ball.

where the lines on the soccer ball represent the bonds between the carbon atoms. You have a spherical molecule, it’s a big molecule, this is my bigger one. It’s a spherical molecule of 60 carbon atoms in the shape of a geodesic dome, right? That’s the dome that Fuller, Buckminster Fuller brought to prominence. So the whole collection of molecules, carbon 60, carbon 70, 76 on up, are called Fullerenes, and this one is really affectionately known as the Bucky Ball.

Dr. Jannine Krause (06:59.332)
Yeah.

Chris Burres (07:20.428)
after Buckminster Fullerene and it’s clearly a ball. So that’s that first serendipitous point part of this story. And then I’ll turn it over to you in case you’ve got any questions about this, but the next part is like, what does it do? Why is it amazing? Why they won the Nobel Prize?

Dr. Jannine Krause (07:36.75)
Yeah. Okay, so a couple things that are coming out because a lot of people are going to hear graphene and they’re going to think graphene oxide. And they’re going to be like, wasn’t that the bad stuff that someone reported that was supposedly in some things? Mm-hmm. Things. Mm-hmm.

Chris Burres (07:42.402)
Mm. Mm.

Chris Burres (07:49.966)
stuff. Some yeah, some pointy stuff. Yeah. so just real quick. First off, there are no health detrimental impacts of graphene on its own. Graphene well documented at a minimum, at a, at a worst case scenario neutral, probably some beneficial aspects to it. It’s when you put that oxide on it that you can start to have problems. Second,

This is very different than a graphene, right? You can see the shape is actually of a sphere. actually have a model over there, but I won’t get it, because it’s just a flat sheet. You’re comparing like a flat sheet of paper, I don’t know, to some sort of wood ball. They’re just going to interact with their environment very differently. And the next one, kind of people in that space will go, well, hey, this is nanotechnology, and they’re just going to put radio frequency receivers and robots in you.

This is 60 carbon atoms. We have a problem, there’s actually a really, and it was a long time ago, but there was a very, IBM once published a paper, because they were able to put individual silicon atoms in the shape of the IBM logo, right? It was a big deal, because it’s incredibly hard to move one atom at a time. This is just 60, it’s not gonna work as a radio receiver, it’s not gonna work as a robot.

It could eventually be some part of a robot, but they’re not gonna be self-assembling in your body. I can’t even remember what movie they do that. So a lot of these concerns, like we need to be thinking about these things, right? And then we apply science to them and understand, okay, we’re safe in this area.

Dr. Jannine Krause (09:28.516)
Excellent, that’s a great description. Because yes, know a lot of, we’ve got a lot of fear right now, you know, and there’s a lot of stuff out there. Now the other thing on the nanoparticles, not being so much robots and things of that nature, there’s a lot of talk about nanoparticles getting stuck in the body, they can never come back out, they create like, I call it cosmic waste. Can you explain to folks a little bit about that?

Chris Burres (09:52.28)
Well, this might in fact be some of the solution, right? So when you think about detoxing agents, a lot of them, you know, they’re going to be diatomaceous earth. You’re going to be thinking about, activated charcoal. These are things that are never actually getting into your body, right? If you think about the pool noodle, right? And it’s got a hole through the middle. And if you drop a marble through the middle of the pool noodle, did it ever become part of the pool noodle? Right?

Well, we are a pool noodle, right? From mouth to anus, we’re that pool noodle, and it actually has to get, it has to actually get into the foam. We’re having fun here. It has to get into the foam, right? You have to get past that gut barrier in order to get into your system, and diatomaceous earth and activated charcoal are not doing that. We did a study with the University of Houston Mechanical Engineering Department where we gave the raw material from which we extract this

this ESS60 molecule, we gave that to them and they said it performed as well or better than activated charcoal. So imagine an activated charcoal that does actually have access to getting into our system and now can serve the same purpose, this binding purpose. This is all theories, by the way, right? I’m not gonna say like, we know that this goes directly in and binds with XYZ and takes it out. This is all theoretically possible. And then you’ll kind of hear.

the testimonials and how we actually think this is working at the mitochondrial level. And then the story all comes together. But imagine you’ve got that activated charcoal in your system, able to bond with those things that you don’t want it to bond with. The data suggests that this molecule gets out of your body in 10 days. And I’m going to hop right in because we’ve got one very specific testimonial that we get repeatedly, but this one’s very specific. My business coach says that

Dr. Jannine Krause (11:33.988)
Thank

Chris Burres (11:42.638)
for 50 years before trying our product, he needed the alarm clock. Now when he’s on the product, he wakes up before the alarm clock and he’s a business coach. So he’s like networking, glasses of wine, late dinners, whatever. He’s waking up before the alarm clock every time he’s on the product. At about 10 days after not taking the product, he needs the alarm clock again, right? And that’s kind of his like, and this is just repeated. I don’t know, over the last five years, we’ve repeated this somewhere between five and 10 times.

where it’s 10 days in. So our understanding is that it’s excreted out of the body in 10 days.

Dr. Jannine Krause (12:17.944)
Gotcha, gotcha. And folks who are listening, that’s kind of like a half-life thing if you’re thinking about that in terms of how long something’s gonna stay in. And then maybe a little bit of derivative from half-life, not exactly, that’s a full life.

Chris Burres (12:30.606)
Yeah, I think thought processes full life. When we start realizing, we know from peer reviewed published research that this gets into the mitochondria. So we have a theory about what it’s doing there. But yeah, you know, is there going to be some lingering particles that ultimately come out? Yeah, I think that is that is the reality. And, you know, at this point, you start looking at the data that we have and, you know, you start going, man, this is probably worth trying.

Dr. Jannine Krause (12:40.056)
Thank

Dr. Jannine Krause (12:57.986)
Yeah, yeah. So let’s dive in to how it works, what’s going on, because I was hearing, you we had talked about graphene oxide, and I’m not to beat a dead horse, but the oxide, when you hear that word, I mean, that’s kind of like something that you don’t necessarily want those molecules, want antioxidant kind of molecules, and I’m dumbing this down quite a bit, so I’m gonna let you take over before I get myself into word salad and weeds.

Chris Burres (13:24.206)
If it’s it’s all right, could we walk through this journey of how we’re even in the health space? OK, so so the molecules discovered 85, the scientists win the Nobel Prize in 96. My company starts manufacturing it in 91, five years before they won the Nobel Prize. Kind of proud the fact that we were delivering appreciable quantities to researchers is probably why they knew.

Dr. Jannine Krause (13:29.996)
Yeah, let’s do it.

Chris Burres (13:48.302)
how important this discovery was and probably part of the reason that they won the Nobel Prize. So very proud to have been involved that early. The molecule is absolutely amazing. The way I describe it is it performs as well or better than the current best material in almost every application. So it makes better inks, better batteries, better tires, better photocells. And if you were nervous at graphene oxide,

I just said to Inks, batteries, tires, and photocells, maybe you’re getting a little nervous because no one woke up this morning and thought, my car’s right there, it’s got a battery. I wonder what parts of my battery I should be consuming on a daily basis. But the story does get a little worse first. So this one shape on the exterior, so just one of the panels on the soccer ball molecule, is the same shape as benzene. Benzene is ubiquitous in our society, and we absolutely need it for modern society. Evidence?

Look around you, imagine everything that’s plastic, gone. The foundational molecule is benzene. Many medications, the foundational molecule is benzene, including aspirin. Detergents, same thing, a lot of detergents. So we don’t have modern society without benzene. It is everywhere. But when benzene is all on its own, it’s known to be toxic and known to be carcinogenic. So the fact that its shape is actually repeated on the exterior of this ESS-60 molecule, they thought it would be toxic. They put it in a toxicity study.

Instead of being toxic, the test subjects that they gave it to, in this case it was Wistar rats, lived 90 % longer than the control group. So the single longest longevity experimental result on mammals in history, peer-reviewed published research, is because of this ESS60 molecule dissolved in olive oil, a high-quality extra virgin olive oil in this case.

So that’s a pretty, that’s a fantastic study that changed my trajectory and my business partner from being happy-go-lucky carbon nanomaterial scientist to getting into the health space and really kind of bringing us to this point. I’m gonna share, so that study comes out in 2012. We start getting phone calls from this wacky group of people. For this podcast, I’m gonna call them health addicts.

Dr. Jannine Krause (15:59.8)
Ha ha ha.

Chris Burres (16:00.358)
instead of biohackers, this wacky group of people called, of health addicts, start calling us and saying, how much of this should I consume? And my business partner, ultra conservative carbon nanomaterial scientists, what we’re hearing is, hey Chris, that stuff you sell to research institutions around the world to put into inks, batteries, tires, and photocells, how much of that stuff should we consume? Our first response was, yeah, probably zero. Like, now let me be clear, the literature was clear that it was safe.

We’re just conservative scientists thinking about the car battery going, no, you shouldn’t, no, you shouldn’t do that. So we add not for human consumption to our labeling. And then the same group of health addicts start calling us. We’re getting two to three calls a week and they’re like, hey, Chris, my knee pain is gone. And I’m like, Mr. or Mrs. Health addict, you mean the knee pain of your rat, right? Because it literally says not for human consumption on the labeling.

And they’re like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, if my rat weighs 275 pounds and does HIIT training on Tuesdays and Thursdays, how much should my rat be taking? So we know, like we know what’s going on. There’s a little bit of tongue in cheek. My business partner and I are getting together every quarter. Do we want to get into this space? I think you would agree a very politically correct way to describe the supplement industry is challenged. It’s a challenged industry.

Dr. Jannine Krause (17:07.288)
You

Chris Burres (17:22.102)
We didn’t really want to be in that industry. And in fact, I found a paper where 50 % of the products that this research group had purchased on the market did not have in them what they said they had in them. Right? So this is not the space that we wanted to be in. Finally, a guy with a big YouTube following, this is the latter part of 2017, a guy with a big YouTube following started talking about all the benefits he was getting, taking it on a daily basis. And our phone went from, you know, these wacky health addicts calling two to three times a week.

to 10 phone calls a day. My business partner, I kind of slowed down and we’re like, hey, this is an entrepreneurial opportunity beyond which we ever imagined. And if we look back at that paper where 50 % of the supplements in the market don’t have in them what they say they have in them, that’s going to happen in this space. We’re a unique group. We’ve been working with this molecule longer than anyone on the planet. We actually have the lab. We actually have the know-how to manufacture this at an extremely high quality.

And then we asked ourselves two questions. The first is a moral question. Are we comfortable selling it? I take it. My wife takes it. Everybody on our team here takes it. By the way, that’s not a requirement. You do not have to take the product to work on our team here. They just have access to the research. They have access to the testimonials through the customer service team. And so they do take it. And then the other is legal, right? Here, we have to be mindful of the FTC and the FDA. You got to cross the T’s. You got to dot the I’s.

And so we are doing that. And that’s when we launched in 2018 to bring this to market. And my role as the chief scientist was to one, is a 90 % extension of life a big deal? Yes, it absolutely is. Your intuition is correct. And then two, how might this be working? And I’m gonna walk through kind of my evolution of how I pictured this working. First, our most consistent testimonial is people take it in the morning.

They report mental focus and energy during the day and then better sleep that night. If you just improve sleep, you will improve your mental, physical and emotional wellbeing, right? Like this is a pillar of health. Fix your health. Like if you’re listening to this and your sleep is not that good, fix your sleep. Like so much is gonna get better if you fix your sleep. And I’m sure you preach that regularly, right? Like that’s a, is that a mantra?

Dr. Jannine Krause (19:41.469)
It’s that and I might have worn it out a little bit too with some like not again

Chris Burres (19:44.462)
If you’re really addicted to your health, you should really be addicted to your sleep, right? Because that is really the pillar. So if we’re improving sleep, we’re improving everything, right? Next, as I looked at, okay, 90 % extension of life, how does the medical community tend to think about aging? They tend to think it’s an oxidation and an inflammation process.

And we can check both of those boxes and I’ll walk us through that because inflammation, have to be careful with the FDA. In terms of antioxidant, there’s an ad hoc study in the web showing us to be 172 times more powerful than vitamin C. And there’s peer reviewed published research that shows us to be 125 times more powerful than vitamin C. So I’m in Texas, that means we put a big old checkbox right on antioxidant. When it comes to inflammation, the FDA equates discussions about chronic inflammation

with discussions about the diseases of chronic inflammation, which are also the diseases of aging. So if I tell you we reduce chronic inflammation, what the FDA hears me saying is we cure cancer and cardiovascular disease and arthritis, which we are not claiming. We all can agree we’re not claiming that. There’s so much research that needs to be done to get to that point.

What the FDA does allow us to say is that we address inflammation, at least that inflammation that is related to exercise induced inflammation, right? So we’ve all had a tough workout or maybe a long walk, longer walk than normal and felt that inflammation in our body. So we can put a big old check mark next to inflammation. And I’ll bring up inflammation one more time. I have a fun theory about what we think it’s doing in the mitochondria. Well, it’s geeky first and then it’s fun.

But I’ve been talking so long, I really wanna turn it back over to you in case you wanna take it in a different direction.

Dr. Jannine Krause (21:35.586)
No, I want to learn about this. Like, go for it. It’s interesting to me to hear it. So yeah, go for it. Tell me more.

Chris Burres (21:42.286)
Okay, awesome. So the theory is called the BOSS theory buffering oxidative stress system. So we know from peer reviewed published research that this ESS 60 molecule gets into the mitochondria. We also know from way back in the 90s that this molecule can hold up to six negatively charged particles on the exterior of this cage. So what we believe it’s doing and we’ll do a super brief refresher mitochondria powerhouse of every cell there’s between 50 and 5000 mitochondria.

in every cell in your body except for blood cells which have zero and brain and neurons which have two million. That’s how much energy our nervous system uses relative to our other systems. The mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell and like every powerhouse we’re familiar with there’s a negative byproduct. Your car going down the road has exhaust, your power plant has a smokestack with smoke, your mitochondria have reactive oxygen species.

The way I describe these are like negative, well, negatively and positively charged particles that run around like little bumper cars and they rust everything that they bump into. They’re causing that oxidative stress or oxidative damage. Inside the mitochondria, you have two key antioxidants to manage those reactive oxygen species and that’s glutathione and melatonin. By the way, melatonin, the sleep hormone, a nice parallel with our most consistent testimonial related to sleep.

When a mitochondria gets overwhelmed, it’s producing more reactive oxygen species than the glutathione and melatonin can manage. That’s when they run around and do a bunch of damage. And that’s when we think this ESS60 molecule comes in. We believe that it holds on to those negatively charged particles so they can’t do any damage. And then when that particular mitochondria can replenish the glutathione and melatonin, then it can manage them properly.

And I have a fun analogy, that’s again, this theory is called the Boss Theory, buffering oxidative stress system. Like all biological analogies, it starts, should start, it starts with Mardi Gras.

Chris Burres (23:39.072)
It’s the end of Mardi Gras and you’re like, where is this going? It’s the end of… Well, you know, there’s addicts there, health addicts in this case. All right, so you got, it’s the end of Mardi Gras, you have these drunk reactive auction species running around Bourbon Street, smashing up cars, spray painting, doing whatever drunk reactive auction species do. And you’ve got the New Orleans Police Department, the glutathione and the melatonin coming in and handcuffing themselves to these reactive auction species and getting them off of Bourbon Street.

Dr. Jannine Krause (23:43.244)
Okay.

Chris Burres (24:07.95)
But what does the New Orleans Police Department do when they are overwhelmed? They take these reactive oxygen species and they stick them in a paddy wagon. They attach them to the exterior of this ESS60 molecule so they can’t do any damage. And then when the glutathione is replenished and the melatonin is replenished, they can handcuff themselves to those reactive oxygen species and get them off of Bourbon Street. And that’s why we say the ESS60 molecule…

is the boss again, that buffering oxidative stress system. And if you’re reducing the negative impact of stressed mitochondria, you should in fact have head to toe testimonials, which is in fact, we do, we have head to toe testimonials.

Dr. Jannine Krause (24:49.764)
So just thinking, I like the paddy wagon and the police department kind of example because it does tell us kind of a little bit more detail. So think a lot of people, they know what the mitochondria kind of does, but they’re not really sure how it all plays in. Now the other part of it is thinking through this concept of, okay.

Maybe someone’s been tested and they’re like, my glutathione isn’t low. Maybe they’ve been tested and said, my melatonin isn’t low.

but we still know that they’re fatigued all day long, maybe they can just go for a walk and they cannot recover from just that. And I’m talking to some folks that might have chronic health issues here, mean, kind of stuff, lupus, et cetera. And so when someone’s gone down that route, and obviously there’s not really a test to know if you’re deficient in carbon per se. So I think…

Chris Burres (25:30.574)
Yeah.

Chris Burres (25:41.548)
Yeah. Well, not this particular molecule for sure, right? Because it’s hard to test for everyone because it’s naturally occurring in a candle flame, right? The soap from a candle has been exposed to it, just not at a appreciable quantity. So that’s not even a test that I would lean on. And I’ve actually got some ideas, keep going.

Dr. Jannine Krause (25:45.956)
Great.

Dr. Jannine Krause (26:00.568)
Yeah, yeah. No, I’m what I’m thinking is like, okay, I just want to get to the point is like sometimes we have things that can benefit us that don’t have tests that show us that we need it. That’s one thing. The other side of it is, is that you’re kind of bringing up a point that maybe, you know, cause we’ve pushed the glutathione concept very heavily. It’s hard to get in the body. The Dalton’s size is too big. You know, we’re thinking about that. So vital C gets in. And so guys back to ESS 60. I don’t want to confuse vital C and yet we’ll get there.

But we get that in and folks are thinking like, okay, so it can go anywhere. It can be head to toe. It doesn’t really have like a honing device. So it doesn’t have, it’s just gonna go to wherever you’re producing more antioxidants in the body, correct?

Chris Burres (26:45.25)
Well, where are you producing, well, one, yeah, you’re exactly right. And so I’m just trying to think of, know, I know growing up, I was like, how does aspirin know to go to my brain or my elbow, right? And it kind of doesn’t, right? It’s just going everywhere. And in some places it actually serves a purpose and other places it just passes through. And I think that’s probably what’s true with the ESS-60 molecule. It’s coming into a mitochondria.

Dr. Jannine Krause (26:48.536)
Well, most oxidants, sorry, not antioxidants.

Dr. Jannine Krause (26:58.084)
Great.

Chris Burres (27:12.494)
It’s you know, if that mitochondria is stressed probably it’s about this is we’re really personifying this but it’s probably hanging out Hey, I’ll hold on to these, you know, I’ll be your paddy wagon for a while and then head out I think there might be an I have one more Analogy that might serve the purpose right? So your glutathione and your melatonin levels are good Which means that you should be able to handle regular stress, right? I kind of picture like the human body

and stress like a prairie. Stress is good, by the way. Anybody who’s like, I just want a zero stress life. Imagine you go up into space as an astronaut and you come back and you’re frail and a feeble creature, right? They have to do intense exercises and they still come back with lower bone density, lower immune systems, like all of these things, just by removing the stress of gravity. So I picture us as like a prairie, nice little prairie flowers, and the rain is the stress.

And if it’s the right amount of stress, that’s great, the prairie is thriving. But imagine you have one deep, dark cloud that’s just pouring in one spot. Like this is the stress of exercise or smog or a tough email, hard conversation. It’s gonna do damage to the prairie. And that’s where we think this ESS-60 molecule kind of gets between the cloud and the prairie, acts like a sponge or a beaker holding it.

so that it doesn’t do that damage. Now, one very important thing to note is it’s one sponge or one beaker. If that stress keeps pouring down, eventually it’s going to be full. Eventually it’s going to run over the side. Eventually it’s going to hit the prairie and do the damage, right? So this is good for managing peak stresses is what we believe. And then once that stress, that deep dark cloud is gone, then you can actually dump this out over the prairie gently and you’re not doing any damage. So you could imagine that your

Dr. Jannine Krause (28:56.196)
in the future.

Chris Burres (29:06.51)
current glutathione, your normal glutathione and melatonin are in homeostasis in that prairie to manage that rain that’s coming down. But what happens when you pour it in one spot and that’s when it gets overwhelmed. So we don’t think of this as a replacement for either glutathione or melatonin. We believe it adds value by making sure when they’re stressed, when that mitochondria is stressed and you’re overwhelming the glutathione and melatonin.

that it prevents the damage in the first place. And I’m gonna add one other piece that I think is really important. We realize that reactive oxygen species are an important signaling molecule. If you’re stressing your mitochondria, it needs to like send out distress signals and go, hey, like this is not working right, I need to do some mitogenesis, right? So we need to create some more mitochondria so we can create some more power.

or I just need help, whatever that is. If I need more nutrients to make more glutathione and melatonin, then that’s what I need. So you need those stress signals. Well, those stress signals tend to be the positively charged reactive oxygen species. This ESS60 molecule holds onto the negatively charged ones. The negatively ones are also the more damaging ones. So you’re holding onto the damaged ones. The positive ones are still going out and doing their signals so that your body can…

understand that it’s under stress, under attack or whatever, and so those normal bodily functions can occur. And so that’s kind of how I picture how a good glutathione and melatonin level might still manifest with some slight increase of stress. You’ve got no way to mitigate it.

Dr. Jannine Krause (30:44.932)
Sure, at the end of the day, sounds like ESS68 takes out the trash, literally. Like, some poop I don’t know.

Chris Burres (30:50.604)
Yeah, well, again, we think it holds on to the trash, right? So imagine your house without a trash bin, and now the ESS-60 molecule is the trash bin, right? So it’s holding all of that stuff. It’s not getting rid of it. You still gotta take it out to the street. You still gotta dump it in the compactor or whatever you’re doing, but it’s so much better. Your house, your environment, your prairie has so much less litter all around it.

Dr. Jannine Krause (30:54.765)
Okay. Okay.

Dr. Jannine Krause (30:59.278)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Jannine Krause (31:03.332)
Mmmmm

Chris Burres (31:19.244)
because it is actually being held inside of the ESS-60 mount. Well, again, don’t want to miss it. Like nothing is getting inside of here. It’s being held on the exterior of the cage.

Dr. Jannine Krause (31:29.1)
Okay, and so what that tells me then is someone’s gotta make sure that they’re hydrated while we’re doing all the other things to be able to help the ESS-60 grab things, take it, take it down, out, wherever way we go.

Chris Burres (31:41.902)
Yep. It’s the reality is if you go back to that kind of prairie and you’ve got that stream of stress, if you’re not managing the stream of stress, eventually it’s going to fill up and eventually it’s going to overflow and it’s going to get back to impinging on that prairie and doing the damage. Right? So, so that stresses, if you’re dehydrated, that’s stressful, right? Even, you know,

Fasting is stressful. Again, stresses are good. You’ve got to have the right level of stress and you probably should be pushing your incrementally the amount of stress that your body is able to take, everything is able to take. But you’ve got to do it within reason. And as soon as you get outside of your own current physical status of what is reasonable, then things start to fall apart. This can help.

but you still gotta be moving in there. You want to be moving in the right direction. This isn’t, hey, take this and you don’t have to worry. Like you can be a couch potato.

Dr. Jannine Krause (32:37.636)
Yes, that’s where I was getting going with this. Yeah, because I think for a lot of people and a lot of my audience is women 35 to 55 and we’re going through perimenopause, we’re going through menopause. There’s a lot of changes and a lot of it is fatigue related difficulty, you know, with workouts where we’re feeling like what the heck is going on with the body. So it sounds like it’s a very good supportive agent to help us with things that happen with aging and help with the mitochondria as well.

Chris Burres (32:47.18)
Mm.

Chris Burres (33:05.388)
Yeah, we actually have, and I know I mentioned this before, but we actually have a box that’s our bottle that’s branded. So this is our typical bottle. We have one that’s branded for menopause. It literally is the same thing. We branded it actually at my, so my wife is from Panama. She talks about menopause in Spanish and has quite a hefty following on TikTok. It’s kind of cool. We’ve actually were on a cruise and she got recognized and that’s, that’s, that’s kind of cool. But, but

She’s a big, like this is the only thing that she takes and she’ll say that regularly. she’s probably a bigger, more enthusiastic proponent of the product than I am, maybe because the impact it had for her during, during menopause. she was in it and she went through it early and she, she was struggling with the symptoms of menopause right about that time. We really was when we were bringing this product to market, you know, with spouses, it’s hard to convince them to like, you should take this. What do you know about health?

Well, I know a little because I know this. I know the boss theory. And so eventually I got her to take it. It was actually kind of after a bout with a flu and she was so much better the next day after she took it. And then notice the impact that it had on her menopause symptoms that she’s a big proponent and on her channel will kind of promote our product regularly. So she’s pretty spectacular.

Dr. Jannine Krause (34:25.57)
What’s your wife’s name so folks can also find her? Just… Yeah.

Chris Burres (34:29.342)
So it is in Spanish. So she’s from Panama. It’s in Spanish, but it’s kind of go look up. In fact, if you look up Marissa, M-A-R-I-S-S-A, and last name is Burris, B-U-R-R-E-S, you’ll find her channel on TikTok and Instagram is actually Mujeres Vivasas. So like vivacious women. And you’ll find it in, it’s like, she has a lot of followers. Like, I’ll be talking with other health addicts at whatever conference.

And then they start talking to her and like, you’re actually famous. Like, she has a lot of followers. It’s pretty cool.

Dr. Jannine Krause (35:04.772)
Nice, nice, very cool. Yeah, you never know. mean, I don’t know my demographic in terms of language, but nevertheless.

It’s fun. It’s fun stuff. So cool. So I’m, you know, I think for a lot of people, they’re kind of going like, okay, cool. I can see how we can get behind this. Have you guys done any research or studies in terms of pairing it with anything like pairing it? Like my brain’s just going to like precursors for glutathione, like vitamin, actually vitamin C and vitamin E or alpha-lipoic or any of that stuff. Has anyone else? Yeah.

Chris Burres (35:36.83)
NAC. Yeah. We’ve thought about that. In fact, we thought recently, I’m preparing for an interview with Naya Patel. think that’s right. He has a spray on glutathione product. I don’t know if you’re familiar with it. I think it’s Aura, A-U-R-A, glutathione. So I’m about to interview him. And as I’m going through this, especially the first two chapters of his book, I’m looking at it going, okay, this is how

how glutathione has impact in the mitochondria, this is, it’s expanding my knowledge of how the BOSS theory fits in with glutathione. So to put something with glutathione, right, if you think about this prairie, right, you’ve got the glutathione and melatonin are actually the managing experts. I need to come up with a, I need a couch potato analogy, right, so that we can get people off the couch. But,

when you’re having that load, if you just had a pile of glutathione sitting there, then it could manage this impinging dirt. I mean, this impinging stream from the cloud. So we’ve thought about that. In some regard, we’re getting so many good testimonials just with the existing product. I’m torn. This actually starts to become a business and a marketing decision, right? Can we market it and then go like, hey, you like glutathione, you should try this.

Um, you like whatever NAC, which is a great glutathione precursor, then you should try this or is it just, you know, let’s just get this molecule into as many hands as possible. At this point, when I go to a biohacking or health addict conference, um, about 30 % of people have either heard, have heard of C60 or ESS 60. When you get outside of that space, it’s 99.9 % of people have not heard of it.

And so there’s just so much more work to be done in that space. I wrestle with, do we want to combine it and what impact on marketing would that have?

Dr. Jannine Krause (37:37.796)
Yeah.

Yeah, it makes sense. makes sense. And I think, you know, as my brain thinks about hacking and thinks about like how am going to amplify this, it’s usually kind of the background in my head and also thinking like what other factors here can help and make it work longer, faster, you know, more robust. That’s kind of the health junkie brain as a whole. And we’re like, how does it pair with hormones? And how do you know? I don’t know if you have any background data on folks talking about that. It sounds like your wife’s not even using hormones. She’s just using vital C.

Yeah, pretty cool.

Chris Burres (38:08.93)
Yeah, no, that’s, that’s the only thing that she uses. And I think her advice was not to, and then I don’t, I’ve had, you know, on my podcast, it’s become one of my favorite subjects. Cause like I have so many conversations about menopause. And then certainly I was there with my wife during menopause, which is, you know, it’s rough. that’s, whoever’s going through it, that’s a rough period for you and then your relationships and, and just all sorts of stuff.

One of the thoughts, right, and this is just a theory also, when you get the mitochondria right, the mitochondria is intimately involved in a lot of the hormones that are produced. And so if you’re getting that right, right, if you’re reducing the negative impact of stress mitochondria, then you’re gonna have a positive impact on how the hormones are going throughout your body. So that’s a theory, but again, it’s supported by these head to toe testimonials. And actually I’ll share one.

Because a lot of people will ask, you know, how quickly might I notice something, right? Because this is, that’s something that you want to know. Our biggest distributor here in Houston is a lady by the name of Gwen. And she originally ordered the product for her dog only. She was not interested in taking it herself. And she noticed such a profound difference in her dog that she decided to take it herself. Now, I like to pause there.

because there is no placebo, like if this is new and if you’re a discerning health addict, you’re gonna like, what percentage of this is health, is placebo? Because placebo plays a part and so does nocebo in everything you, literally everything you take. So what percentage? When it comes to pets, there’s 0 % placebo. Ironically, they’re not smart enough to know they got their little dropper of oil that day and so they should have more energy that day. So she noticed such a profound difference in her dog.

that she started taking it. I did an interview with her and she said at the three month mark, if you had asked me if I’d noticed anything, my knee jerk response would have been no. But then I kind of slowed down and I took stock of my life. And I realized I’m working later, right? I’m getting more work done. I’m actually waking up earlier. I was never really a morning person. And then arguably the worst testimonial about a supplement in history.

Chris Burres (40:27.082)
She shared that she cleaned her garage. We don’t use that in any marketing material. You want to clean your garage? Take this product. But cleaning your garage does in fact mean something, right? It’s a lot of work. Maybe there’s emotional baggage. We actually have testimonials related to kind of, we’ll call it emotional fortitude. So cleaning the garage does mean something. that was, we also, on the shorter end, right? So that’s three months, I didn’t really notice anything. I also have a video from a lady.

who she took it in the morning, she recorded the video that night, and she pointed out that she did not finish her cup of coffee that morning. If you’re a coffee drinker and you’ve noticed that you didn’t finish your cup of coffee, then you’re the kind of person who knows you need a cup of coffee to get through the day and it didn’t. So we do see some same day testimonials and then we see some kind of longer term, and so probably 5 % of our customers are like, hey, I haven’t noticed anything and they’ll stop.

and then they’ll notice what they didn’t notice and then they’ll get back on the product. It’s kind of like my business partner who got him stops and then 10 days later is like, I need my alarm clock again. if honestly, if you woke up most, I very comfortably will call my business partner, business coach, not normal. Most people maybe wouldn’t even notice that they’re waking up before the alarm clock, right? You’re just kind of sitting in bed and the alarm clock goes off. Like these are subtle.

differences that really have a profound impact. Getting a deeper sleep is something that is reported. In fact, we did do a survey study. It’s a crossover study. So far, we only have 10 people through it. Our goal is 25. We asked them survey questions 10 days prior to trying the product. And these questions were, how easy was it to fall asleep? How restless was your sleep? How good was your sleep?

How good did you feel in the morning? Right? And we asked those survey questions 10 days before they tried the product, 10 days when they were on the product, 10 days back off the product, and then 10 days back on the product. 100 % of the participants reported improvements in sleep when they were on the product. And that parallels this. I almost forgot to mention this. Do you work with HSCRP numbers at any point? Okay. So you’re going to appreciate this and we’ll get in and explain it.

Chris Burres (42:49.376)
At the last A4M, so that’s American Association of Anti-Aging, they have an event called Longevity Fest and we had a booth in Vegas and this Dr. Lane Young came up to us. I had had a conversation with him at Dave Asprey’s Biohacking Conference in Dallas. He came up and as soon as he said this, said, Dr. Young, can I record this? And he goes, yeah, sure. So I recorded it, so I have it. He said, Chris, I don’t care if you’re male, female, pre-surgery, post-surgery, cardiovascular disease, otherwise healthy.

Our product, so MyVitalC, reduces elevated HSCRP numbers to within normal ranges in four to eight weeks. His particular example was he had a client at nine that his protocols weren’t able to move four to eight, it’s actually four to eight weeks is what he says. Four to eight weeks later, it was down to .9. Now you’re kind of familiar with HSCRP, nine, not a good number, like that’s a number to avoid. I later had a conversation with an oncologist who said,

Dr. Jannine Krause (43:40.996)
See you.

Chris Burres (43:48.032)
An HSCRP of nine in the oncology world means you have cancer until we prove otherwise. Right? Like that’s how elevated that number is. And then Dr. Young, this is what kind of reminded me of this. He went on to say, and in terms of HRV, so heart rate variability and sleep, the people were reporting a 20 to 60 % improvement in those numbers, HRV numbers and deep sleep numbers when they were on the product in four to eight weeks.

So this is again going to support this if you’re supporting that mitochondria, reducing the negative impact of stress mitochondria. So everything is going to be better. Wow, that’s scary statement, right? Like if you’re like, the mitochondria is going to be positively impact and there’s mitochondria in every cell in your body except for blood cells and all of it’s going to be better. Like that’s kind of why we had to come up with distinct packaging for like sleep.

and focus and exercise recovery. We actually have one called Part of Your Recovery, because that is a real thing with this product. And then, you know, one focused on menopause.

Dr. Jannine Krause (44:53.988)
Gotcha, gotcha. Yeah, I mean, it makes sense. It makes sense. There’s marketing. We have to kind of know that what we’re taking is specific for that because otherwise, I mean, I will be honest, seeing something that says ESS60, you kind of are like German. You know, like, what is this? It’s like BPC157. It’s like the peptides, you know, the numbers and letters and whatnot. It gets you a little bit like, what is this?

Chris Burres (45:08.588)
Never heard of it.

Chris Burres (45:20.248)
Well, and if you’re like me, I had to hear about BBC 157 and TV 500 together, right? From about five people that I truly respect and also are respected by lots of people. they’re like, yeah, maybe I’ll try that.

Dr. Jannine Krause (45:35.748)
Yeah, yeah, no, I’m kind of thinking this would be a good combo with peptides, to be honest, just especially for exercise recovery for folks who are struggling, but also just in general, since fatigue really is one of those things that I’ve gotten frustrated with over the years, because we go down the route of like, is there a mold thing? Is there a lime thing? Is there, you you name it, all the possible contributors. And sometimes you work on rabbit holes and things don’t get better. And so, you know,

a lot of folks who are dealing with chronic stuff are looking for something that’s gonna move the needle, right? And that’s where this industry gets a little tricky because it does, you know, every product does like get them thinking like, this is gonna be it? This is gonna be it? This is gonna be the magical thing. But at the same time, you know, like you’re saying, you have 10 days where folks are noticing like, okay, it wears off. So it means that…

couple different things. One, we can get the mitochondria working better. We have potential to get them to work better. We can use this, you know, to help come off of surgeries, you know, and things of that nature. We can cycle it. I’ve got all kinds of different ideas in my head and of course for marketing we want it 24-7, but I can also see how we can use this and be on and off of it to cycle and get over certain things in life too and then bring back like, reinforce the healthy lifestyle.

Chris Burres (46:54.082)
I’m going to, so cycling is, interesting because in reality there is a lot of work. You know, our typical serving is five mils, right? So it’s five mils. The product is typically sold in a bottle. Five mils is one teaspoon. and we recommend daily and I’ll just real quick. We have an MCT version, we have an olive oil version and we have an avocado version. My, my routine every day is I put about a teaspoon and a half of the MCT.

in my coffee, right? It’s actually in this cup of coffee here. And while that’s blending, right? Oil and water, while that’s blending, I’m actually taking a two-spin and a half of our olive oil. So I’m taking a little bit extra. If I’m back to back, you know, podcasts or meetings or whatever, at some point, I’ll probably take another shot just because it really is good for the energy. And then certainly if I’m, I’m actually drinking a lot less wine, actually no wine now because I’m apparently sensitive to grapes, which is probably a great thing.

but you know, if I’m having a drink or two, then I can also have another one. I can tell you in the past, I used to drink a lot more and I would definitely have extra shots of the, of the ESS 60. cause it just mitigated the challenges that you would have, in, in that environment. Well, there’s just do like the pain you might feel in the morning. We’ll, we’ll, call it that. and, and, and so, but what I’m going to share is so we have, I say all that to say like there’s, we could probably hone in on dosing. There’s probably.

the right thing for what you’re doing. I lean on this guy, Anthony Kunkel. So he’s a big proponent of our product. He’s a two time US ultra running champion. So we won a championship at 50 miles and at 50 K, which is 62 miles. If anybody’s stressing their body, their mitochondria, it is him. He’s currently running about 200 miles a week. And my first conversation with him was pretty, pretty interesting because he said, Chris,

I, I, when I first started your product, I was taking one serving. I didn’t really know, notice anything. And then I joke like all good biohackers or, or health addicts. He tripled the serving by the way, don’t do that on everything. There are things you should absolutely never triple. And I’m going to just do like one that comes at Rappamycin. Don’t triple the serving. That’s a bad plan. but so he tripled the serving and his statement was, I was like, wow, this could be the difference between somebody having running as a hobby and somebody having running as a career.

Chris Burres (49:18.466)
and the way he said it was, I don’t believe this improves exercise recovery. I believe it, it, reduces the damage, prevents the damage in the first place. That’s the right phrase. I believe this prevents damage in the first place. And his argument was the reason I believe that is because on the last five miles of a 50 mile run,

a phrase you don’t hear very often. I’ve only ever heard it from Anthony. So on the last five miles of a 50 mile run, where strength and stability used to be a problem, they’re no longer a problem. And if you think about, again, reducing the negative impact of those stressed mitochondria, then yeah, that makes sense, right? He’s got this dark cloud. It’s bigger than most people’s cloud. It’s dumping a lot more water as he’s running 50 miles than most people and would normally do a lot more damage.

but you’ve got this ESS60 molecule, this battery of ESS60 molecules protecting that prairie. And then, so it absorbs them, right? It’s that sponge that holds onto them. And then he turns around and he’s doing all the biohacking stuff. He’s doing the red light therapy. He’s doing, you know, cold plunges. He’s doing, like, he’s just doing everything to then release that stress, relax that stress and prepare for the next thing. The reason I brought him up is he actually…

thought that the impact on him physiologically was so profound, he was concerned it would be like a crutch. Like it would be in the case of testosterone, if you start taking testosterone, your natural supply of testosterone dwindles, right? Your body is like, there’s lots of it floating around. We don’t need to make any, which is not, know, which is a negative aspect of, you know, potentially testosterone replacement therapy. So he was worried about that. He cycled on. He’s an incredibly talented biohacker. He cycled on and off.

And then now he just takes it regularly. Like he starts his training block with MCT, which has a lower concentration of the ESS-60 molecule and good weight control, right? MCT is good for kind of hunger suppression. So good weight control. And then he ramps up to the olive oil, which has the highest concentration. And that’s what he’s taking going into competitions.

Dr. Jannine Krause (51:30.148)
Okay, okay. makes sense. Definitely makes sense that the different uses and different ways you can do it. I know a lot of people are gonna be intrigued and thinking, okay, all right, I definitely am curious. Now, if someone’s super sensitive, I heard you say ramp up with the olive oil version. Is it, if someone, because I will also have this happen, it’s a phenomenon I think happens in perimenopause and beyond, we have a lot of histamines. So bring something into the body, sometimes there’ll be a pop off of that.

Chris Burres (51:56.823)
Mm.

Dr. Jannine Krause (52:00.102)
because of the nervous system, could be just straight, you know, histamine insensitivity. What kind of advice would you give to someone that’s going, okay, I want to try this, I have sensitivity, I have to take lower levels of everything, what would they do? What would that be like?

Chris Burres (52:13.144)
Well, one I would lean on, what is your current olive oil consumption? Because a lot of people are consuming some amount of olive oil. Where does that sit? And if the answer is zero, then you might want to try to titrate this up, right? So you might want to try a quarter of a teaspoon first, maybe even an eighth of a teaspoon, if you’re sensitive to so many things. I do think that olive oil is typically on, if you think about the AIP,

protocol like the autoimmune protocol, like let’s get only the anti-inflammatory foods, which probably, correct me if I’m wrong, have a lot of parallels with histamine-inducing foods, that olive oil is on that list. And so probably pretty safe. I can tell you, I did meet one individual who was, he described it allergic or sensitive to olive oil and MCT oil. MCT blew me away. Like that’s just such a refined component.

And so he could only take the avocado. so we gave him a bottle of the avocado. But yeah, if you’re super concerned, you want to titrate this. You can titrate this up for sure. What? So if we think about, you know, people will ask, you know, are there any negative side effects? There are are none reported at this point and none of no counter contraindications with any medications.

Certainly, you know, ask your doctor if it’s a, know, depending on what the medication is, you want to ask your doctor, have a conversation. It might be a different, difficult conversation because they probably have never heard of this. Um, but they can dig into the research and, know, or reach out to us. We’ve got kind of PDFs with like, Hey, here’s what we understand it to do in different animal models. Um, and so, so yeah, so you could titrate it up negative. Um, it, we use a high quality extra virgin olive oil. So.

when you take it, a high quality extra virgin olive oil will leave a peppery flavor at the back of your throat. And some people are not used to that and they’re like, there’s a peppery flavor. Is it rancid? No, that’s actually a sign of a high quality extra virgin olive oil. And so that’s one thing that we get. If you don’t have any oil in your diet and you add even just a teaspoon, so five mils, it can make your stool loose. Like we’re not talking, you know, Dave Asprey’s disaster pants.

Chris Burres (54:25.356)
but we are talking about a little loose stool that you will notice. That’s usually about two days, maybe three days, and your body gets used to that oil. And then there’s, you know, it’s not even really a problem. It’s just something that you would probably notice. Other than that, no, we don’t have any complaints. There’s a small percentage of people who say if they take it later in the day, it will keep them up. I think what’s happening is their brain is very active.

And if they were allow themselves to close their eyes and put their head on the pillow, they would actually fall asleep. But I think there’s some people that are just wired. Like if I’m wired, then I’m not going to bed. So for that reason, we typically recommend you take it in the morning. And by the way, this is pretty fantastic because our most consistent testimonial is people take it in the morning. They report mental focus and energy during the day and then better sleep that night. What what can you take? Like what are you aware of that you can take in the morning?

to positively impact sleep at night. I’ve never taken anything that reports that. certainly if you’ve got exercise in the morning, better sleep at night. If you’ve got exposure to the sun, get your circadian rhythm in line with the rising and falling of the sun, that will help you sleep that night. But I don’t know if you’re aware of anything that fits in that category.

Dr. Jannine Krause (55:41.292)
No, not unless we put an extended release on it from a compounded pharmacy. Yeah, yeah. No, that’s pretty cool. That’s pretty cool. You know, very intrigued, very intrigued. Can’t wait to try your product out. definitely… Yes, I do. I have a cat and a dog.

Chris Burres (55:45.302)
Right? Yeah. Yeah.

Chris Burres (55:55.554)
We’re going to send you a whole care package. Do have any pets? A cat and a dog. So just for fun, we’ll send you both. But just for fun, it’s always interesting. We sell so much more dog than cat product. Cat owners are just not that interested in their cats being, maybe they don’t realize they’re less healthy or I don’t know. Maybe they secretly hate their cats the way this cat secretly hate them. No, by the way, I’m a cat person.

Dr. Jannine Krause (56:21.038)
but it’s definitely different.

Chris Burres (56:24.01)
I love cats, right? So this is all just the stereotypes of where cats and dogs sit, but we sell three to one dog to cat.

Dr. Jannine Krause (56:32.184)
You know, I think it’s because cats live longer. think people just don’t, know, like dogs we want them to live like as long as like the longest cat in the 20s. No, think that’s, I would think that.

Chris Burres (56:40.054)
Yeah. Well, and they’re just very reclusive, right? So when they’re in pain or hurting, you kind of don’t see them. They’re just off sleeping and they’re catnapping all day. And you don’t realize that it’s gone from four hours to eight to 10. And, know, and then you’re like, I guess it’s too late.

Dr. Jannine Krause (56:57.476)
Right. No, I’d absolutely love to see. My golden retriever is seven years old. He’s starting to age a little. I’d like to see what that can do for him. I mean, I’m curious of myself. mean, Sam, cat’s eight months old. He’s a little bit of a terrorist. So I don’t know if I want him to have a week.

Chris Burres (57:10.114)
Yeah, yeah, even with puppies, although we have one testimonial, actually, I’ll share this with the guy who gave us the testimonial is Kai Zdowski. And if I’m not right on his name, I’m really close. He’s the owner of the franchise, Osteostrom, which builds bone density. I don’t know if you heard of them. They’re pretty cool. He gave me a testimonial. I recorded an interview with him and

and he gave me a testimonial. His son brought home the runt of a litter, a pug that was the runt of the litter. It could only basically run in circles. It could barely eat. was like it was perpetually dizzy because it had water on its brain. I happened to send him the product, the care package, like three days after he got the dog. They were given the dog triple servings per day.

And the dog at the point of the review was like 80 % better and we took it back to the vet the vet was like this is basically a miracle like that we thought we were gonna have to put that dog down So I think that’s kind of the only Position that I would give a puppy because they just have so much they don’t need any more energy They kind of don’t need any more sleep right because there’s you know when they they when they’ve drained their energy they fall immediately to sleep, right so

But yeah, as they start to age, I think it really, and that’s where we get in terms of pets, they’re really strong. Like one was I used to have to carry my dog down the stairs to go to the outside to go to the bathroom. Now he’s back to bounding up the stairs.

Dr. Jannine Krause (58:39.268)
you know just for being a pet lover that’s definitely something that you know oddly enough people will spend more money on their pets than themselves we know that hands down and you know, it’s Hey, try down on your pet I’m kind of thinking try down your pet first and if it looks good to you there then you can go to yourself as well But of course, you know the the background and the thought process on how everything works the boss theory All of that makes a lot of sense and we don’t really have anything

Chris Burres (58:48.941)
Yes.

Dr. Jannine Krause (59:08.182)
other than glutathione and, and, you know, methylation processes and things like that. we’re looking at ourselves and, and cell detox and mitochondrial detox, we don’t really have a lot of great solid things like PQQ and NAD like, yes, they can help, but I’m not like, I don’t see like the, the testimonials you’re giving me today with that. So I’m curious, I’m very curious as to what.

Chris Burres (59:20.6)
Hmm.

Chris Burres (59:31.436)
Hmm. You know, I’ll share a couple of mine. So we talk about kind of where my own inflammation is at. We were recently at the health optimization summit in Austin. Great event. And Tim gray throws an amazing event. and we, the booth next to us, we just got lucky cause I would have like, I often don’t have time to go visit the booths or whatever. He happened to be at the booth next to us. He’s a former Apple employee who put

put in an ERC test into a home kit and that’s a urethrocyte test that’s looking at you take a blood sample and the rate at which the plasma separates from the blood cells is an indication of inflammation. And so you do a blood a finger prick you put blood into this capillary tube you put it you know with gravity and it’s got this device that’ll measure it. It’s like ten dollars per test and the device is three hundred dollars. I don’t have any commissions with him it’s just super cool technology.

I took his test and he has a biological component to it. And he said that my biological age was 20 plus years younger than my current age. I’m just about to turn 56 here very soon. Yeah, in a month. And so 20 years younger. You look at glycan age. I don’t know if you’re familiar with this test. It’s looking at glycans.

That’s how a sugar attaches to different blood cells in your blood sample. As with a lot of things, it has a very downward curve as you get older. And it is a good indication of inflammation, how much inflammation you have in your system. That test is probably my favorite. I took it when I was 54. It had me at 21.

So I don’t even know if I want to be younger. Can I still drink if I’m biologically under 21? I don’t know what that looks like. So fantastic. And then the other one, which is I’m not really happy with the result, but I’m happy with the direction. When I was 51, I took my DNA age. It had me at 59. I took it three years later, right? So at 54, it had me at 58. So three years later, I had regressed biologically by one year.

Chris Burres (01:01:45.76)
I like, I’m happy with the direction, let’s just keep that direction going, that’s a good thing. Those are some of the indications of where inflammation is sitting in my body, and then my HSCRP is of course in normal range.

Dr. Jannine Krause (01:01:58.67)
Well, yeah, mean, having those before and afters with things would be good. mean, I definitely, I did the, now I can’t think of it, true diagnostics test. And I’ve done it twice now. And my most recent one has me, they changed their algorithm. So it’s a little bit different. I was 10 years or seven years younger before. Now I’m only like one year younger, but I think the algorithm somewhat changed. But they also said like in the data, my heart and my cardiovascular system,

them had aged the most, which, you know, freaks me out a little considering I’m running, I’m doing, you lots of…

Chris Burres (01:02:30.84)
Mm-hmm.

Chris Burres (01:02:35.49)
I’m doing all the things.

Dr. Jannine Krause (01:02:36.706)
Right, right, right. And so this is where a lot of people will be at with labs and different things. So like I’m doing all the things, why am I still degrading? And so having a before and after, always heard a proponent of when you try something new, get a test where can before and after on it. And it sounds like even the aging testing might be something if someone’s done that already, they can do a repeat after doing it. I’ve not seen the sedra, I’ve heard of the sedra testing, but I’ve not seen that yet.

Chris Burres (01:03:04.814)
Yeah. Well, I think typically you have to send off a full sample, right? So it can’t be a blood plot test. Um, and then, you know, the results are long. If you’re, if you’re kind of this health addict who’s interested in your ongoing inflammatory test, um, it’s a, it’s a kind of cool kit. It’s 300 bucks and $10 a test. Like I’ve, I’ve referred him. I was honestly at that conference, I was his best salesperson because I would kind of tell everybody about ESS 60 was like,

By the way, like inflammation is something that we think we can have an impact on. Look at his test, because it’s amazing. he gave me a free blood test and we’re still in contact. it’s kind of cool how things work out.

Dr. Jannine Krause (01:03:48.452)
Yeah, no it definitely does and the concept of inflammation, mean it really is a thing and you know right now one of the solid like most solid data researches is aspirin at 81 milligrams but at the end of the day do you want to be taking aspirin every day? I don’t know, I don’t know, you know.

Chris Burres (01:04:07.788)
Well, the baby aspirin, as I recall, tastes really good. I remember when I was little and they’re like, I have a headache. And then as I mentioned, I had the thought process, how does this aspirin know to go to my head and not to my elbow? Cause my elbow also now not hurts, right?

Dr. Jannine Krause (01:04:16.716)
Okay.

Dr. Jannine Krause (01:04:25.314)
Right, it’s interesting stuff. It’s interesting stuff. like, yeah, baby aspirin, do we want to be taking that every day? What does that have impact to have on our gut long term? I know everyone’s saying it’s okay, but yeah, I’m very curious as to what Vital C will do. I will definitely release the podcast after I try it so folks can hear kind of what’s going on. We’ll give you an update on it as well. And yeah, just looking forward to seeing what we can do.

Chris Burres (01:04:52.526)
Okay, awesome. Well, we’ll get you a care package. If anybody’s interested, I guess now is the time I’ll get I’ll give the link. If anybody’s interested, we made a link for your audience, right? So it’s my vital C, C as in carbon, my vital c.com forward slash health fix. There is a $15 off of your initial order coupon on that page. So go to my vital c.com forward slash health fix. A little bit of advice.

Dr. Jannine Krause (01:04:59.052)
Yes.

Chris Burres (01:05:17.912)
People see that we have olive oil, avocado oil, and MCT oil. They’re like, which one should I take? We always recommend the olive oil for two reasons. First, we are a science-based organization, and all of the research is on the ESS-60 molecule in olive oil. So that’s kind of the first reason. Next is there’s a higher concentration of the ESS-60 molecule in the olive oil. You get about 0.8 milligrams per milliliter in olive oil, 0.6 in avocado oil, and 0.3 in MCT oil. So significantly lower in MCT.

Next is you can get a 25 % discount by going on subscription. Even if you just want to try the product, please go ahead and take advantage of that discount. We won’t hate you or anything for taking advantage of that discount. You can cancel at any time. Our customer service team has a thousand five-star reviews on Google. That’s how much we love our customer service team loves our customers. They are not trained to talk you out of canceling your subscription.

You can cancel it anytime, no problem. Most people just stay on the subscription though after they’ve had the product for a while. I also am pretty proud. I wrote a book, so this whole story that we’ve been talking today is on my book, is in my book, Live Longer and Better. And you can buy that on Amazon for 20 bucks. You can buy it on our website for that same 20 bucks with a special charity piece. It’s not on the landing page that we gave you, but go there, grab that coupon code, go to the menu structure, find the book.

For 10 extra dollars, I’ll sign that book for you. The full $10 goes to Operation Underground Railroad. You may remember a movie called The Sound of Freedom. It’s a great movie about a horrible subject, which is childhood sex trafficking, which clearly we need to get off of this planet. So 100 % of the signature fee goes to Operation Underground Railroad.

Dr. Jannine Krause (01:07:06.658)
Awesome, yeah, such a big deal and so many, I’m hoping we get more information out about it as time goes on and certain people are, yeah.

Chris Burres (01:07:18.872)
go to jail or just disappear permanently.

Dr. Jannine Krause (01:07:22.358)
Yes, exactly. So, so in agreement with that. That’s awesome. That’s good to know. So folks can find you at myvitalc.com for health fix, you know, to get the coupon code. Now, are you guys on Instagram too? I know we talked about the wife on Instagram or on TikTok and all that. But now where are where can we find you if we want to see the day to day life kind of things? What are you guys?

Chris Burres (01:07:43.118)
Yeah, so so you can find it on Instagram and on TikTok and on Facebook. We’re at my vital see. So you’ll find us and that’s kind of operates as my personal page and the company page. I’m constantly sharing great content, sleep tips, all that good stuff and certainly would appreciate anybody going out there and following on Instagram at my vital see. And then I do happen to have a podcast. You’ll kind of be exposed to that. The podcast is live beyond the norms.

And so I kind of referenced the different episodes in the social media on Instagram, TikTok and Facebook and Twitter and YouTube. All the socials.

Dr. Jannine Krause (01:08:23.64)
all the things, love it. it. Love it. Chris, thank you so much for coming on, sharing info about Vital C and really letting me drill you on questions that I know I’m gonna get. So I’m always thinking about like, what am I gonna get asked? Okay, let me kind of drill that. And I know some of them are a little bit redundant, but it helps us to really understand how carbon can help us and just really.

you know, be able to revitalize us because we, after all, we are made of carbon. So why not use something that can, that’s already in us and can help us? So thanks so much.

Chris Burres (01:08:57.158)
I working with one person who called this, and I loved it, the perfect carbon molecule. There is actually a book titled The Most Beautiful Molecule, which is entirely about this molecule. It’s pretty, you know, you think about the guys who discovered it won the Nobel Prize for that discovery. It’s pretty amazing.

Dr. Jannine Krause (01:09:16.172)
love to see, I’m sure it’s online, I’d love to see the 3D on it of the image of the molecule or even like see it under a microscope I’m sure it’s pretty neat to see.

Chris Burres (01:09:26.252)
Well, in a microscope, you have to use the most advanced, so a tunneling electron microscope, and you kind of see a slightly curved blob, right? Because again, we’re down to 60, there’s only 60 atoms in this thing. I think, what was I looking at? Insulin is like a thousand atoms, right? So we’re familiar with insulin, thousand atoms, this is just 60. So in that tunneling electron microscope, you’ve got kind of this gray,

field and then there’s these little circular balls on top of them. You’re not seeing the shapes or anything. It’s that small. It’s amazing. One thing for perspective, one drop of our product has 475 times more of the ESS-60 molecules than you have cells in your body. One drop, 465, something close to that.

Dr. Jannine Krause (01:10:04.932)
Yeah, it puts it in the first one.

Chris Burres (01:10:24.718)
as many molecules as you have cells in your body in just one drop. It’s a tiny molecule.

Dr. Jannine Krause (01:10:31.684)
Yeah, perspective for me for sure. That makes it all kind of come together. And I think for a lot of people like you had said before to get it into cells and all cells, both the red blood cells have mitochondria. I that’s gonna definitely flood the body with good stuff. So, cool. Thanks again, Chris. I really appreciate it.

Chris Burres (01:10:51.618)
Dr. J, thank you so much for having me.

Dr. Jannine Krause (01:10:53.892)
sure.