In this episode, Dr. Jannine Krause sits down with Christian Drapeau, neurophysiology scientist and stem cell pioneer, to explore the fascinating world of plant-based stem cell activation and regenerative medicine.
Christian shares his groundbreaking research on how natural plant extracts, including Klamath Lake blue-green algae and sea buckthorn, can stimulate the body’s own stem cell production — enhancing the repair of organs, tissues, bones, and even the brain. From athletes seeking faster muscle recovery to those navigating cognitive decline or chronic illness, this episode offers cutting-edge insights into the body’s innate healing potential.
They dive into how microcirculation, gut health, and even peptide therapy work synergistically with stem cell activation to transform long-term health outcomes. Christian also introduces StemRegen, a supplement developed to safely and effectively increase circulating stem cells using plant-based protocols.
💡 What You’ll Learn:
- How plant extracts can stimulate your own stem cell release
- Why Klamath Lake microalgae is a powerhouse for health
- How StemRegen supports muscle, bone, and brain repair
- Why gut health and the gut-brain connection are key to stem cell function
- How microcirculation impacts tissue regeneration
- The connection between stem cells and peptide therapy
- How to monitor health markers to track your health progress
- Why starting in your 30s, 40s, or 50s is not too late to make a difference
🧠 Topics Covered:
- Stem cells as the body’s natural repair system
- Plant-based health protocols for boosting stem cell production
- Cognitive function & the gut-brain-stem cell axis
- Accelerating recovery for athletes & aging populations
- Case studies: heart failure, Parkinson’s, and more
- Personalized approaches to stem cell support
📌 Notable Quotes:
“Stem cells are the repair system of the body.”
“Your body can repair itself if given the chance.”
“Microcirculation is key to health and healing.”
“Peptides leverage stem cells for better outcomes.”
🔗 Resources & Links:
→ Learn more about Christian Drapeau & StemRegen
→ Follow Christian on TikTok: [@StemCellChristian]
→ Get Dr. Krause’s resources & health guides: @drjanninekrause on Instagram and https://doctorjkrausend.com/
📚 About Christian Drapeau:
A neurophysiologist and leading voice in stem cell science, Christian Drapeau was the first to propose the concept of stem cells as the body’s repair system. He holds nine patents and over two decades of research experience in plant-based regenerative health.
🎧 Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and share this episode if you’re curious about healing from the inside out through the power of plants and stem cells!
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Podcast Transcript
Jannine Krause (00:02.83)
Christian Drapeau, welcome to the HealthFix Podcast.
CD (00:06.684)
My pleasure to be here.
Jannine Krause (00:08.686)
Well, I am a geek at heart and I have been geeking out on your article from back from 2012. We’ll dive into that a little bit, but most importantly, I am really excited to talk about stem cells and in particular plant stem cells and how you came into this field and really geeking out on the research here. So give us a little background as to how stem cells found you or you found them.
CD (00:37.746)
I was, so my background is brain research, neurophysiology, and I was hired in 1995 to study a plan that you may have heard about, Clamath Lake Blue Greenology. So at the time, it was growing fast in the country, and the shea was passed, the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act. And so the company needed to have science to back up the claims that they were making.
So the main claims were on inflammation, on the immune system, on a sense of mental clarity, mood elevation. So we very quickly identified mechanisms of actions and the active compounds responsible for these benefits. But as I’m doing this research, I came across people reversing or significantly improving from a whole slew of conditions touching the nervous system, the heart, the brain, well, the nervous system, the lung, the pancreas, liver, skin.
joint, so many different aspects of human health that the big question was, what is this one thing that this product is doing to lead to such a broad variety of health benefits? We did a number of studies with different research centers, universities. We got good data, but never anything that was like the aha moment of like, okay, now we’ve discovered what it is. Until early January, 2001, when I came across an article in the scientific literature,
documenting stem cells going from the bone marrow to the brain and becoming a brain cell. Now you go back in 2001, stem cells are only known to be precursors to blood cells. They don’t make brain cells. And if anything, they can make other things maybe, but the brain, we know the brain does not repair. So to see a stem cell going from the bone marrow to the brain, I thought it was an amazing breakthrough. So I went to the local medical library to see what else I could find.
I found another article documenting stem cells going to the heart and becoming heart cells, another one going to the liver, becoming liver cells. So I just thought, we’re in early 2001, so if stem cells can become brain, heart, and liver, it’s unthinkable to think of a mechanism of action that will make stem cells become those three tissues and organs, but not the rest of the body. So that means it’s just a matter of time, scientists were able to show that they can also become
CD (02:56.444)
pancreas, liver, lung, and the rest. And if so, that means they have to be the repair system of the body. How do you have a stem cell going to the brain and becoming a brain cell and it’s not its function? It has to be its function. So we published an article in the journal Medical Hypothesis suggesting stem cells are the repair system of the body. And in the back of my mind, just like we have plants stimulating the immune system, what if this was a plant that was stimulating the repair system?
So we acquired a flow cytometer, which is a machine to count stem cells. We started on ourselves. We would take a blood sample, count the number of stem cells, take this blue-green algae and count the number of stem cells, an hour, two hours, three hours later. And then we saw the whole phenomenon. This plant was acting as a releaser, for lack of a better term, of stem cells. So within an hour, we had a significant increase in stem cells on the bone marrow. So from that point on, the last 25 years have been in,
invested in that process and that study of stem cells, how they work and finding other plants that achieve the same outcome to essentially stimulate the body’s innate ability to.
Jannine Krause (04:03.598)
It’s so cool how we have this capability using plants, because I think a lot of people have now kind of gotten into the realm of stem cells for humans and using it for skin care, as we talked about before we hit record, and stem cell IV therapy and all of that. So a lot of people might be going, well, Christian, wait. How do plants mimic what we have? Wouldn’t we be better off focusing more on
human plant cells stem cells versus the plants. What is it about, let’s say even the Klamath Falls, you know, microalgae, what is it about it that the plants have this ability to potentially regenerate us?
CD (04:46.778)
Okay, just to be clear, I am not talking about plant stem cells. I am talking about plants that trigger the release of your own stem cells. Just like echinacea is not immune cells, echinacea stimulates your own immune cells. So these are plants that have an effect on our own stem cells. And this is to me, of the, and it’s rare in history that we have those kinds of phenomenon.
Here’s a phenomenon in the body that every single human being has experienced in their lives. Everybody has had a bone fracture, a cut, a bruise, a surgery, something, and they have seen that the body repairs. The body heals. Everybody has seen this in their lives. And yet in medicine until fairly recently, until we brought forth all this information, in medicine there was no explanation of what is happening when the body repairs.
You get a broken bone, the doctors puts you in a cast and tells you come back in six weeks with no language about what is happening during that time of repair. When you have a surgery, we say go home and rest. Rest does not repair the body. It’s a component, but it does not repair the body. What we’re discovering is that it’s our stem cells. The stem cells that we have in our own body really is what repairs the body. And if you have more stem cells in circulation, you have more or greater ability to repair.
What everybody is hearing about is an injection. So you increase the number of stem cells in circulation through an injection. We have simply documented plants that will increase the number of stem cells in circulation, not through an injection, but by making your body release more. It’s really that simple.
Jannine Krause (06:32.525)
Okay, okay. Yeah, I was confused completely on how the mechanism was working here. So, okay, so using the plants to stimulate our own processes, which if I look at things and I look at…
you know, where fear lies, right? When it comes to putting someone else’s stem cells, you know, into your body, you know, or cord blood stem cells into the body, there’s a lot there, right? Whereas if we’re using something to help stimulate our own natural production, now this gives us a whole different ball game to look at. Okay. Okay. Now I hope that I have my has also helped others to be like, okay.
This is where we’re at. This is where we’re at. All right. So one of the things that I was intrigued by is that you had done a little bit of work with your product, Stem Regen, and you have all kinds of different stories about specifically the joints, the cardiovascular system, things of that nature. Can you give us a little bit more? mean, it sounds, like you said, relatively simple in terms of using
the plants to be able to stimulate things. What other types of plants are we talking about here? saw something about sea buckthorn. saw something, you know, what plants in particular besides the microalgae have you found to be helpful in stimulating?
CD (08:01.734)
So when we discovered the effect of this blue-green algae, the first obstacle, if I could say, so we go back in 2001, and the answer was, it may just be like an artifact. If anything, it’s not true. So you need to have a mechanism of action and an active compound. So we found, so we documented that, found the active compounds, documented the mechanism of action. And then the next question was, well, it doesn’t mean anything.
putting more stem cells in circulation could be very irrelevant. So we had to go through a proof of concept. Then maybe it’s bad for you. So we had to go through all these steps and before we could really establish it works, it is real, it is safe. And when all of this was done, in my mind, it’s obvious that we evolved in symbiosis with the environment. There cannot be just one plant having an effect on stem cells, just like there’s not only one plant having an effect on the immune system. So the question was,
just like how we discovered the effect of this blue-green algae because it was leading to various types of benefits in various people, then we looked for a plant that historically had been associated with a broad variety of health benefits. And then we started to study them. So, goji berry, medicinal mushroom, all these different plants. They all have an effect. None of them were really earth-shattering.
But it’s when I had a chance to go into remote areas of the world like you go to Madagascar You go on the Tibetan Plateau. What are they using there? What is their go-to plants that they use for all kinds of problems? So you mentioned sea buckthorn berry. I was traveling in China at some point I came across a number of of biochemists that had worked with the plants of the Chinese pharmacopeia And I say okay, you’re lost on an island and you can only bring one plant
Which one would it be? Kind of a joke, but at the same time, I’m really curious what answer I’m going to get. And all three told me c-buck-torn berry. I was very surprised. So I went into scientific literature and discovered that indeed, for more than 2,000 years in Tibetan medicine, Mongolian medicine, Chinese medicine, c-buck-torn berry had been used for problems of the lung, of the heart, cardiovascular system, pancreas, and to accelerate
CD (10:21.062)
the process of healing from burn to the skin, cut to the skin, wound, bone fracture. So when you look at this whole spectrum, it’s telling me maybe we have an effect on stem cells. So I went on the Tibetan Plateau, found a farm, and started to develop with then an extract, which we studied and discovered that indeed it puts about 40 % more stem cells in circulation within about two, three hours. At some point I was traveling and I had a chance to
to meet pharmacists, pharmacologists working in Madagascar. And they were searching for plant that it could use for neurodegenerative diseases. So I asked them, is there a plant that the heal told you use this like it’s good for everything? And at the end, they kind of introduced me to one specific species of aloe growing in Madagascar. So of 65 species, only that one had been used to make one specific product in Madagascar called Vahona.
So we develop an extract from this aloe, we called it stem aloe, and when we tested it, we got so far one of the biggest response in terms of releasing stem cells from the bone marrow. So stem regen today is the top five plants that we have documented over the past 20 years that act as stem cell mobilizers. So you take two capsules and we can say that conservatively, you will put within about two, three hours, an additional 10 million stem cells
in your blood circulation. So, and you quickly do the math, you know, do this for example twice a day for five days and you’ve released 100 million of your own stem cells. When you compare that with the cost of an injection of 100 million stem cells and we have not completed the studies now to compare these two approaches, but it becomes significant and you don’t stop at five days. You can do this for three months, which is going to mean 600 million stem cells in circulation, if not more.
Actually a billion, more than a billion stem cells that you release by taking two capsules twice a day for a few months. So cumulatively it gets quite significant. And what we’re doing right now to prove the impact of this, because we say, we release stem cells, what does it really mean? So we have chosen models, and they’re not models, they’re inhumans, so they’re real, but let’s say health conditions or health issues that are known to not really recover, not really heal and repair.
CD (12:48.32)
in the human experience. So you talk about, for example, congestive heart failure. If you have congestive heart failure, you have congestive heart failure. Like we can do things to help the condition, beta blockers, hypotensive medications, diuretic, those kinds of things. But this is just to remove the burden on the heart. We’re not helping the heart repair. So we have an ongoing study. The preliminary paper of that study was just published a few days ago. So we published on the first 10 patients
on the first 10 patients with at least two years of chronic stable congestive heart failure, wherever they were after two years or more, we simply put them on stem regen. And after six months, all 10 have recovered normal heart function. We have now on Parkinson, we are preparing one on COPD on liver failure. And the point is not to say stem regen cures these problems. It’s not the point at all. The point is just to document
This is a product that puts more stem cells in circulation and it means that your body is better able to repair itself. And to show the reality of this, let’s see what it means to repair the heart. Let’s see what it means to support the body’s ability to repair the brain and the lung and the liver and so on.
Jannine Krause (14:03.254)
Hmm. Very fascinating to me because it’s a different type of research when it comes to plant-based medicine. Because typically we’re going to look at extracts and extracts to counter certain symptoms. Whereas instead, we’re stimulating, you know, the body to work on specific, I’m going to say regeneration of tissue, right? And you’ve got protocols I saw on your website specifically tailored to one…
CD (14:25.56)
Mm-hmm.
Jannine Krause (14:32.896)
you know, kind of stimulating, mobilizing. see you’ve got kind of a multi-tiered approach to how you do this compared to just, and this is why I’m bringing this up, because I think a lot of people think about plant medicine, they think about herbs and supplements and whatnot, but this takes it to a whole other level than just one function. We’re looking at regenerative function, and I think that the stem cells are stimulating multiple things going on for regeneration, not just lowering blood pressure or something.
CD (14:35.137)
Mm-hmm.
CD (14:59.469)
Yeah, yeah, no, you’re bringing an absolutely fundamental point that is super simple to express, hear, but it take, I mean, it’s hard for this to penetrate modern human minds, if I could say, because you look at medicine today, even to a large extent, naturopathic medicine. We’re looking for a plant or a drug, but a plant that will contain a specific compound or class of compounds
that will have an effect on a specific marker in the body that is indicative of a certain health status. Take cholesterol. There are, we want to lower cholesterol, right or wrong, I’m not going to get into that discussion, but let’s say you want to have an effect on cholesterol and you’re looking for a plant that will reduce that marker. We haven’t changed anything to your heart condition. We haven’t changed anything. We’re just affecting markers. The entire science, medical science that we have today is all aimed at reducing symptoms
and we absolutely never, ever cure. You have hypertension, we give you something that will lower your blood pressure, but we’re not going to take care of what is the cause of that blood pressure. And now we have something that shows up suddenly in medicine and it’s function. It has no impact on symptoms, it has no impact on markers at all. The only thing it does, it releases the unit repair in your body.
your innate ability to repair, it kicks it back into function. The same repair, like none of the problems that you have at 50, you had them when you were 20, because you had way more stem cells in circulation when you were younger. So now at an older age, we simply put back these stem cells in circulation and let them do what stem cells do, which is repair. And it’s hard to sink in because we live in a world where we just do not repair. If you have diabetes and you repair and you…
you cure your diabetes. The immediate response is that it’s either a miracle or you did not really have diabetes to begin with. It was a wrong diagnosis. The idea that you could actually cure it does not sink in. And it’s like this for a lot of degenerative disease. You have Parkinson, you can’t repair. You just live with it. You have spinal cord injury, you live with it. You have heart disease, you live with it. Whatever you have, have emphysema, you live with it. The idea that it can repair,
CD (17:24.258)
is non-existent in medicine, and yet stem cells is changing this world. It’s hard to swallow, but it’s a reality.
Jannine Krause (17:32.748)
Yeah, it definitely is because like you said, it does disrupt the whole model of medicine. yeah, naturopathic doctors are no different than medical doctors because in a lot of ways, you know, we’re waking up that yeah, we can’t just swap out, know, instead of Lipitor, we’re swapping out for, you know, red yeast rice, which is basically the same thing minus a couple of different shifts. yeah. Yeah. And maybe a filler, but really, yeah, that’s really it. And so
CD (17:51.445)
Mm-hmm. The path.
Jannine Krause (18:00.78)
we have to think about like, yeah, we’re just band-aiding a lot. And it’s been one of my biggest frustrations in practice that, you what am I really doing? Am I really helping? Am I really bringing back restoration of health? And so when I was, you know, first introduced to your products and first introduced to what you were describing, I was like, wow, this is fascinating. Of course, I was completely confused at the beginning and I’m glad we cleared that up. But now I’m like, okay.
even cooler, even cooler. Now you have your protocol, you have the daily maintenance, you have the accelerated repair. Now, when I look at those two, I’m going, okay, as we’re getting older, we are like cars, that’s how I kinda explain it to folks, we are needing repair as time goes on. So that makes sense, know, with daily maintenance, but accelerated, I’m going, okay, is this for someone that has perhaps had a diagnosis?
of congestive heart failure or has had maybe a traumatic brain injury. And we know that there’s some processes going or like you said, Parkinson’s, because I noticed that in your 2012 article that I read, had spinal cord care and Parkinson’s. Give us a little bit of the background between the two products and the accelerating the process. What was your intention when you created that for folks?
CD (19:09.728)
Mm-hmm.
CD (19:22.593)
Well, when we discovered the first product that puts more stem cells in circulation, I tested it. I had what to me appeared as a great concept. Like it looks like stem cells are the repair system. And if you put more in circulation, well, the body should be able to repair better. So I sent this product to a friend of mine, an atropatic doctor, who was getting a lot of his patients who were patients that doctors could not help them and basically
They showed up at his door and saying, that’s it, I have this problem. My doctor said that there’s nothing he can do. And then I just shipped him bottles and I said, give it to these people and just let me, tell me what you see. And then we saw, I mean, heart, people with significant heart problem reversed, significant emphysema reverse. We have all kinds of cases. So when I saw this, I realized, okay, there’s really something there. And that was the start of everything that I’ve done since then. Over the years,
We have seen conditions touching just about any aspects of human health. And I want to be clear, I’m not saying it’s going to reverse diseases. What I’m saying is that when you give back the body its ability to repair, well, it repairs. And if you look at any kind of degenerative problem, well, it’s an organ that is not repaired. If you lose cells making insulin, well, that’s diabetes. If you lose cells making, I don’t know, dopamine in your brain, well, that’s Parkinson. Every single problem is the loss of a type of cells that your stem cells can actually
replace. So that was the original concept. Today we’re actually doing studies with these different problems and I’m choosing like the article that you’re referring to. I did not publish everything that we saw. I published the conditions for which medicine normally says there’s nothing that we can do. Like in that article there was a fellow on a heart transplant list. So there is on a heart transplant list because there’s no other option.
You don’t do a heart transplant if there’s another option. And within a matter of three months, he had normal heart function. So we published those cases to really show it means something if you can put more stem cells in circulation. And these people were like, he was 65 at the time. And in our study now on congestive heart failure, these people are like 60 to 67 years old, something like this. So at all ages.
CD (21:46.397)
you release your own stem cells, your body can utilize them for repair. So that’s the general context. And when you’re referring to the other products that we add in the protocol on our website, it’s that we don’t always see, like in this paper, I publish the absolutely most outstanding cases. It’s not everybody that see those kinds of results with that kind of speed. You know, we have the case with Parkinson in six weeks. I mean, six weeks.
reversing 15 years of slow evolution. So it’s not all the time that we see it that way. So the point is, and let me make a small parenthesis, I’ll come back to that after. When I give my lectures, oftentimes I show this absolutely mind-blowing video of, this is the work of the group of Doris Taylor. She took the heart of a mouse, circulated digestive enzymes on the cardiac muscle so that after a few hours, the entire heart is digested, it’s gone.
All that we’re left with is the connective tissue of the heart. And on that connective tissue that still retains the traces that it was a heart, they put stem cells that had been previously extracted from that same animal, bone marrow stem cells from that animal. And after a week, they have a beating heart in a test tube. Just to show how powerful your own bone marrow stem cells can be. So the question to me is not, like oftentimes you hear, are stem cells really working?
It’s not, I mean, you just have to read a little bit in the scientific literature to realize how a ludicrous question that is. Stem cells do work, they are powerful. The question is, what is standing in the way of stem cells doing their regenerative work in a certain case of an individual that did not see results? You get a 100 million stem cell injection and people tell you, I didn’t see any benefit. Stem cells work, what is their survival rate?
What was the ability of these stem cells to reach the area that has been chronically affected? What was the level of systemic inflammation to allow stem cells to really identify where they need to go in the body? These are some of the biggest obstacles. So we developed Mobilize, which is a product that has natokinase to make the blood more fluid, to have better entrainment, nitric oxide producers to dilate arterioles. So as you bring more flow toward the capillaries, now to actually
CD (24:10.568)
get a better circulation, capillaries must be able to expand, dilate. So you need flexibility. So we have a series of bioflavonoids, plant extract, increase flexibility of capillaries. And for cells to circulate optimally, you need to have a good glycocalyx layer. So we have polysaccharides to help rebuild the glycocalyx. So by taking Mobilize, we really give access to the stem cells that we have just released. We give them access to an area that may have had
compromise microcirculation because of the chronic nature of the problem. And then we have signal, which is a blend of plant extract that have all been documented in the scientific literature to reduce the synthesis of various inflammatory compounds. So we have COX-2 blockers, five log blockers, blockers of the synthesis of various inflammatory cytokines, bromelain to digest existing inflammatory cytokines. So you reduce the background noise in the blood circulation
So now stem cells can see where the fire is in the body and they can go exactly where they need to go. So these are the two additional products. So the protocol is you release stem cells, you open your microcirculation, you reduce the background noise in the body. So the stem cells that you’ve just released can really find where to go in the body. And now you get really effective repair.
Jannine Krause (25:32.46)
makes perfect sense because yes, we do tend to wonder if someone is going to be eating, say, fast food every day, they’re not doing anything else, and then they try stem cell therapy and they’re like, it didn’t work for me. Well, yeah, you didn’t reduce the background noise. And microcirculation, I would say, is probably the number one issue why we do have problems in our health in general as a whole.
CD (25:55.485)
Is it not fascinating to me, mean, going back to my class of emo dynamics, the whole dynamics of the blood circulation, I’ve always dumbfounded why still today there is very, very little discussion about micro circulation. And yet everybody goes, my everybody, a lot of people go to do like an entire blood profile. You wanna know what’s the red blood cells count, the white blood cells count, hormonal levels, like all these markers. And yet,
The question is to are these components actually reaching the cells? Because the only way for these components to reach the cells, you take DHA, you take all kinds of things, NMN, is it reaching the cell? Because to reach the cells, the only place, the only way to do this is through your microcirculation, through your capillaries. So if you don’t have good capillary circulation because of all kinds, I mean everything that can affect microcirculation, it’s pointless.
The area of your body that is not having good microcirculation is deprived of all the good stuff that you’ve put in your bloodstream. So when you look at it like this, product like Mobilize, we designed it for stem cells, but it’s going to have so many more benefits that people will experience. And we hear it, we hear this. People are taking Mobilize alone or with stem region release, and they come back with things that they had completely forgotten, like they’ve learned to live with, they sleep better.
Cold feed disappears, like all kinds of things linked to just normal circulation.
Jannine Krause (27:30.374)
I’m glad to hear you say that because I’ve mentioned that to a couple of folks and they’re I don’t know, you know, maybe it’s more the mitochondria. And I’m like, but nothing gets to the mitochondria if we don’t have circulation. It doesn’t get there. And with the circulation, I mean, this is a big thing with women in particular, I mean, men too, because we’re talking erectile dysfunction, we’re talking things of that nature. And because a lot of women that are listening to my podcast are in perimenopause menopause, we have this, I believe there’s a lot going on microcirculation wise with what’s happening with hot flashes.
CD (27:37.104)
Hehehehe
Correct.
Jannine Krause (28:00.18)
night sweats, but also the cold hands and feet that we have even with the impact on the thyroid. And so I’m thinking about Mobilize along with this and going, you know, hormone therapy would work so much better with this. Have you seen that? Have you worked on any hormone cases in particular or hypothyroidism where the thyroid was shrunk? Have you worked on that?
CD (28:00.508)
Mm-hmm.
CD (28:11.676)
Mm-hmm.
CD (28:24.325)
We have not worked on it in itself. We’ve had a lot of cases. We have a lot of reports, a lot of stories. It seems to be very helpful in pre-menopause, during menopause. It seems to soften a lot of what people experience. It’s important to also understand that stem cells have receptors for all the main hormones. And when you get this dramatic decline in these hormones,
suddenly your ability to repair, and I’m sure I don’t have that experience personally, but I’m sure women must be experiencing that when you get into menopause, if you get an injury, you don’t repair as like you repaired before. Well, that has to do with the fact that stem cells are not stimulated in the same way. So it’s an important moment also to put more stem cells in circulation. We are about to start a study in the thyroid gland because we have seen in a number of cases,
even in people that have had their thyroid gland destroyed because of an overactive thyroid. And then years later, when they start to put more stem cells in circulation, one case among others, she became a friend, but she started to describe how she was not hungry, she was jittery, she didn’t sleep well, and then she realized that she stopped taking her centroid. And then after a while, she realized, you know what? She was making her own T3, T4.
We don’t have any data to see where is the thyroid gland, but the only conclusion is that part of the thyroid gland has just been regenerated and now is making its own T3, T4. The only reason why I’ve not looked at this specifically, it’s because my interest is not to show that it’s good for one specific condition. My interest is to show that once you’ve released your stem cells, your body repairs.
And I’m using as examples of this phenomenon cases for which medicine would say normally these organs and tissue cannot repair. Your brain cannot repair. Your heart has passed 10 years of age. It’s not true actually. Traditional medicine is telling us that after 10 years of age, your heart has the number of cells that it will have all its life. And if you lose any one of them, too bad for you. This is what is probably still thought in medicine today.
CD (30:47.67)
And we know that it is not true. Your heart renews a rate of about 1 % a year until about 50 years of age. It’s pretty significant. This is at 50 years old, you’ve renewed about 50 % of your heart. And it’s based on stem cells. So as you put more stem cells in circulation, you support this whole process of tissue renewal. So we’re targeting conditions for which medicine is telling us…
that the body should not repair, these organs should not repair, just to show the power of your own stem cells. Thyroid, it’s interesting, but thyroid, I mean, it’s not unheard of that people get better on their own. So we’re trying to focus on those conditions where normally it’s known to not repair on its own.
Jannine Krause (31:33.71)
Okay, okay. So of course it brings up in my mind specific conditions of aging and women in particular bones, osteoporosis, osteopenia, and then also muscle wasting. a lot of… So I’ve seen you have some info on it. So I know that you have done some things there. Because a lot of women right now are at a state in their life where they’re told they have to take a bisphosphonate. So they have to do something to protect.
CD (31:40.858)
Absolutely.
CD (31:45.539)
Absolutely.
CD (31:59.353)
Ahem.
Jannine Krause (32:01.218)
their bone, otherwise they’ll have a fracture and the calcium’s not doing anything. So this is intriguing to me to see how bone and muscle would repair using the stem cells very fast.
CD (32:15.511)
Yeah, no, no question that stem cells can turn into osteoblasts that can make bones. This has been clearly documented in the scientific literature. We’ve had a number of cases over the years of women who came back and reported better bone density. And it’s not just better bone density, quite frankly. I think sometimes it’s a little bit of a poor way to quantify health of the bones because there’s a lot of collagen in your bones as well.
So, which makes then your bone flexible. So, it’s a bigger picture, but it’s all driven by the natural ability of the bone to repair itself. So, we should at some point start, we should do a study on bone health as well, because we’ve seen a lot of case. But definitely stem cells can help rebuild bones.
Jannine Krause (33:04.782)
Very cool, very cool. I’m intrigued on my own level and thinking I’m gonna do a little N of one study because I did some DNA testing that showed that I was aging quite rapidly in my heart and my muscles. Probably because I’m getting towards 50, but at the same time, I’m also looking at it going, I work out every day, I am extremely fit, and so I’m going, what’s happening? And so I’m thinking this repair thing, and much like athletes,
CD (33:29.238)
Mm-hmm.
Jannine Krause (33:31.5)
And I also saw some information on your website in terms of athletes and repair, since that does seem to be a factor with AIDS.
CD (33:39.713)
It is, yeah, is, so we’re now using the product strongly with athletes, even with professional athletes, and the thought here is very simple. If you go and you work out hard, you work out hard, like intensely, you create micro lesions. Micro lesions, which you will feel as just a little bit of soreness the day after when you go back to the gym, it’s not going to prevent you from doing anything. However, at a microscopic neurological level,
it will trigger inhibition of contraction. Like the muscle that has microlesion will not contract, will not be as strong as it can be when it’s fully rested and repaired. But if you train a lot, like athletes, then you’re constantly training on top of these microlesions. Now if you accelerate the repair and the recovery of these microlesions, that means as you go back to the gym to work out,
you’re now no longer have this inhibition. So the same investment in effort, discipline and time is going to give you greater outcome over time. So that’s number one. Number two, when you get an injury down the line, it’s almost always where you get a micro injury before that did not repair very well. It’s most of the time where you get an injury. If you can accelerate the repair and take care of these micro lesions, micro injury, micro traumas, then you protect yourself against future injury.
And from a purely physiological, like more basics than this, we need to understand that muscle cells do not necessarily, you don’t get new muscle cells. You can get new muscle cells. But when a muscle grows, hypertrophy, it’s oftentimes your existing muscle cells that will grow in size and they grow in size because of the fusion with stem cells with the muscle. So you get a type of stem cells in your muscle called satellite cells. There’s two type of stem cells in the body.
that have been known for a long time. We just did not have the full understanding that are actually stem cells. And they were oval cells in the liver and satellite cells in the muscles. We knew about this layer of cells that were replicating, they were proliferating, they behaved like stem cells. They are stem cells of your muscle. So whenever you need to grow your muscle, then these cells fuse with the muscle cells and they grow these muscle cells and that’s why your muscle cells have many nuclei.
CD (36:00.696)
And then as you release stem cells, stem cells will go and replenish this satellite cell layer in your muscle. releasing stem cells plays a role in supporting hypertrophy, which is the gain that you get in your muscle from working out.
Jannine Krause (36:18.702)
Cool. I’ve noticed, and I know I’m not alone as we get older, that that does decline. And then the other thing, of course, that declines that I’d be curious on myself too is the brain and the concentration focus, all of that, which, you know, we’ve got brain games, we have all these other things out there that can help to a point. But I do find that much like with the aging brain, and some people call it menopause brain and all that different stuff, we can help with signaling, firing glial cells, things of that nature too.
CD (36:28.171)
huh.
CD (36:35.352)
Mm-hmm.
Jannine Krause (36:48.651)
and I’m…
CD (36:48.94)
Yes, mean, stem cells, again, these studies are not, as far as I know, we’re not duplicated in humans, but we know that if you count the number of stem cells in people that have developed Alzheimer’s, and you compare that with healthy people of the same age, you see significantly fewer stem cells in people who have developed Alzheimer’s. If you use, and this was done, use a rat model that spontaneously develops Alzheimer’s, and you measure cognitive function,
If you trigger the release of the animal’s own stem cells, you can see a very, very significant improvement in cognitive function compared to the control Alzheimer’s group. So there is a link between stem cells and then cognitive deficit as quantified with Alzheimer’s. That’s the data that we have. Can we extend that to other level of just decline in cognitive function? I don’t know, but a lot of people have reported it.
I mean cognitive function and the age related decline in cognitive function is related to so many different things. Stem cell levels, mitochondrial function, menopause, the change in, estrogen plays a critical role in cognitive function. So as it declines, of course you go to that transition as well. Microplastic is now emerging as a significant, having a significant impact on cognitive function.
and glyphosate or different types of pesticides have been associated with that. Gut flora, so a good gut health has been significantly linked to brain function. I remember an article, I was a student at the time, so this is long time ago, 40 years ago. And I remember coming across an article that was documenting how a number of individuals were in intensive care unit in a
in a mental institution, psychiatric institution, because of some of them being in coma, other beings in like significant bouts of like psychosis. And then what they tried on them was a daily regiment of 700 billion microorganism probiotics a day. And many of them were returned home within a week where all their symptoms disappeared. So the link between poor intestinal flora
CD (39:09.81)
intestinal permeability and a lot of the stuff that are in your intestine that should not be in your blood getting into your blood and affecting your brain. I mean, I’ve talked here about like significant extreme cases, but a lot of people live into this gray zone where there’s some level of intestinal permeability and just this sort of brain fog, poor sleep, poor ability to concentrate, and it is linked to the gut.
So there are a lot of things today that is affecting our cognitive function.
Jannine Krause (39:43.513)
I have no doubt. you could probably go into all the other environmental toxicity, mold, all those things. Which makes me kind of think a little bit because when someone comes to me and is like, I want to try this particular treatment. And I’m hearing you say, and I want to make sure it gets highlighted here, that you’re not saying like, take the stem cells, it’s going to be magic and everything’s going to be great for you. What I’m hearing you say is like, we’ve got to look at the underlying stuff too, in terms of like, where’s the microbiome? We’ve got to maybe…
CD (39:48.79)
All of it.
CD (40:12.15)
Mm-hmm.
Jannine Krause (40:13.08)
try to clear some of the infections. Should it be, you know, lime? Could it be mold? Whatever. We’ve got to kind of clear some of that stuff. And then perhaps adding the stem cells along the way and maybe hit a little bit harder once we have proof that we have eradicated whatever bug I’m just kind of throwing out.
CD (40:31.648)
Correct. What I’m saying is that virtually every single condition at some point in its development is associated with damages to a tissue or a group of tissue and organs. And you just think about it very, very in broad terms. Aterosclerosis, the beginning of hypertension and all of that is an injury to the arteries that evolves into calcification and stiffness.
Take diabetes, it evolves into the lack of ability of producing insulin. I mean, you can go with any type of age-related problems. They’re all caused or associated with the loss of a type of cells. Micro damages and stem cells, and that’s what need to sink in. It’s your repair system. If you have a cold, you boost your immune system. If you have low testosterone, you boost your ability to make testosterone.
Like you boost the body’s ability to do its own thing. In the middle of all of this, we suddenly discover the body has a repair system. Just like you have an immune system, you have a repair system. If you have a heart attack, a bone fracture, a stroke, a burn to the skin, these are the models that were used to document the phenomenon. But you can extend that to any damage, to any tissue. The affected tissue will release specific compounds that are very well known. GCSF is one of them.
that will go to the bone marrow and will trigger the release of stem cells from the bone marrow. The day after the number of stem cells will start to increase, it will peak at about three to five days, which is the time when you have a cut, for example, when you start to feel that that cut is starts, the inflammation starts to go away, the pain starts to go away, and the repair is starting. That’s when repair is starting, around the same time. So at the second day, the affected tissue releases compounds.
that attracts stem cells to that area. When stem cells come to the tissue, the first thing they will do, they suppress inflammation and then they start the repair process. They will start to multiply and transform into cells of that tissue. It’s your natural repair system. So just like when you have a cold, you boost your immune system, all I’m saying is that now that we realize the absolutely ubiquitous role of stem cells in the body, if something is broken, start by repairing the tissue.
CD (42:54.398)
but you need also to take care of the cause. Like, what is the process in the body that has created this injury to various organs? If it is an injury, you repair it and it’s done. If it is an ongoing process, or too immune, let’s say, if it’s an ongoing process, you can repair it, you’ll feel better, but you have to find a cause of the problem to remove it. But just repairing it can at least bring some relief.
Jannine Krause (43:20.078)
Hmm, okay, makes sense, makes sense. you know, there’s so many things I can think about in terms of going in many directions with this. And I think for folks, think it’s at this point, they’re probably wondering like, okay, we’ve got STEM Regen. How can we, you know, where do we start with it? How do we differentiate if we need the daily maintenance versus the accelerated repair protocol? How?
How do you recommend folks start getting to work with your product?
CD (43:54.791)
What we call the advanced protocol, is, we have signal immobilized to reduce the background noise, open microcirculation. What we call the standard, sorry, the standard protocol is to take two capsules a day. So every day you release 10 million stem cells. What we call the advanced protocol, this is what we do in our clinical trials. So when we do clinical trials with, I talked about congestive heart failure. We’re doing one with Parkinson.
preparing to do one with COPD, with liver issues, not again to show that we’re going to cure these problems, to show when you release stem cells, just like in the video where you get a beating heart in a test tube after a week, stem cells can do their job. So we’re just giving the chance of these stem cells to go and do their job in the body. So we wanna make sure that we do it as quickly as possible, as effectively as possible. We have determined over the years that if you do two capsules three times a day,
It’s not an overkill, and at the same time, it really maximizes the body’s ability to do its job of repair. So that’s the advanced protocol. So I would say very simply, if you have a problem, if you have something and you would like to see what your stem cells can do to repair, give it a month or two or three on the advanced protocol to really give a chance to really see what your body can do in terms of repair. If you’re simply past 40, 50 years of age,
and you’re starting to see that, your body is aging, you’re not repairing as you used to, and you see the start of little problems that if they can continue, they will be big problems, then just do just the standard protocol or just stem region release, just to put more stem cells in circulation and give back to your body its ability to repair that it had, let’s say 10, 20 years ago. That’s how it is. You can start in your 40s,
In your 30s, you can start to do this, let’s say, once or twice a year, because if you think about it, 10 million stem cells every day for a month, that’s 300 million of your own stem cells. If an injection of 100 million is very significant and you’ll do the trip to go to Costa Rica or wherever to release your own at 300 million, I mean, it’s already quite a bit. So in your 30s, you do that once or twice a year. In your 40s, two, three, four times a year.
CD (46:17.243)
In your 50s, do this every other month. And when you cross your 50s, 50s, then maybe you start to get and do this every day. I’ve done this every day for the past 25 years. So there’s no problem with it. And I am healthy, I have no issues.
Jannine Krause (46:33.42)
Impressive, impressive. Yeah, I mean, I think it’s somewhat a choose your own adventure of how much you optimize, I guess is probably the word that I would be doing here. And I can see, you know, for folks who maybe are just trying to prevent some stuff, this is a good place to start. If someone has something more significant, makes sense to use the advanced protocol. Now, what kind of, with docs that you’ve worked with, say the naturopath that you’re working with, what kind of checks and balances
CD (46:41.714)
Correct. Totally.
CD (46:55.218)
Mm-hmm.
Jannine Krause (47:02.342)
our other docs doing just to give folks a little sense of like, okay, we can’t see our stem cells, but we can tell we feel better. What are some of the other basic checks and balances? it be, will we be looking at lab work? Will we be looking at, you know, could we look at like HRV monitor, you know, things like that tech, what kind of things are docs doing to monitor progress?
CD (47:22.812)
You know, it’s a very interesting question. let me put that question in context. I’ll just take a few minutes. We use markers because, for example, longevity. Longevity is a very nebulous concept because longevity is what we will experience when we are 100 years old. If today you do something for your longevity,
and you get to 90 and you’re not feeling well, you’ll say darn it, it didn’t work. You cannot go back and change it. So from a medical standpoint, from a therapeutic standpoint, longevity is something that is very hard to grasp. So using animal studies, we were able to identify specific markers in the body that are indicative of longevity. They’re not longevity. Whether we will have longevity with these markers,
We will know in 30 to 40 years from now because this is a new science. What we can say though, is that you take for example DNA methylation, which is right now considered like one of the best marker. Well studies have shown that you can age, according to DNA methylation, you can age 10 years overnight on the night of a surgery. Like you’ve got a surgery today, overnight you’ve aged 10 years. So of course you have not aged 10 years. Your body is going through a trauma.
And the impact of that trauma is DNA methylation that equates to, our concept, in our concept of biological aging, is 10 years. So, and now we imagine that the next 40 years or 50 years of our lives, what we measured today is going to stay on for the next 40 years and then is going to give us the 20 years younger that we have today, we will have 20 years down the road at the other end.
And yet this thing can change overnight. I think that somewhere there’s a reality to it. I’m not saying they’re useless markers. What I’m saying is that we’re reaching conclusions to me that are very weak, that it really means something for longevity. But there’s one thing that is clear. You look at all centenarians and super centenarians, they all have one thing in common. They have not developed.
CD (49:45.005)
age-related disease until a few months before they passed. So delaying the onset of these problems is the secret to longevity. So there’s one thing we can say is that if you count the number of stem cells in people who have developed high blood pressure, erectile dysfunction, heart disease, atherosclerosis, liver failure, kidney failure, COPD, diabetes, emphysema, Parkinson, arthritis, even migraine, and the list keeps growing.
They all have 50 % or less than the number of stem cells that you find in healthy people of the same age. So if you understand that your entire body is constantly in the process of tissue turnover, you have a new skin every month, a new lining of the intestine every five days, a new liver every two, three years, we talked about it, half of a new heart every 50 years. If the body is constantly in process of turnover and the cells that are lost are being replaced by stem cells,
That means the number of stem cells in your bloodstream is the driver of you keeping the health that you have today for decades to come. So if we talk about markers of longevity, to me, how many stem cells you have in your blood is probably the absolute most optimal marker, even if it does not have an effect on DNA methylation or other markers that have been associated with longevity. So right now we are working on a way to quantify
in a cost effective way, an easy way, how many stem cells you have in circulation. Because right now it’s done with flow cytometry and you cannot easily find a place where you can get that done. So the moment that we can achieve that, I believe it will become the best marker for longevity. So we, so practitioners, what I suggest for them to follow, they can follow these different markers. We have people, I have people who came to tell me that they’ve tried everything to reduce their,
along their markers and it’s only when they start to take stem region release that it happened for them. I have not seen this in other people necessarily. So I’m not relying on these markers. I’m relying on the markers that is indicating your level of health, not your intellectual level of health, not markers that you can say, gee, I have great markers. I don’t necessarily feel that great. And other people who don’t feel great and this is people who feel, I’ve seen both.
CD (52:11.182)
I’ve seen people having markers like, hey, I’ve shaved off like 20 years of my age and you look at them and you don’t want their health. Like they don’t really necessarily look super healthy. And you have other people are super healthy and they say, I don’t know why, like your case, I don’t know why, but I don’t have super markers for longevity. I don’t think they mean what we, the meaning that we have imposed upon them. So check for them, but for me, it’s like, look at the markers of your actual health.
How’s your blood pressure? All the things that are not working good for you in terms of marker of organ function and follow that. That’s where you’ll see the benefits.
Jannine Krause (52:49.656)
I like it, I like it. Yeah, the more we can note just on ourselves and how we feel, think is sometimes more effective in this case. And yeah, if we could get a test on looking at stem cells, that’d be really neat to do, because yeah, flow cytometry, I’m hard pressed to find somewhere we’re gonna get someone to do that one for us.
CD (52:54.842)
Mm-hmm.
CD (53:07.351)
No, I mean there are many flow cytometers, they are, most of them are in cancer institute where they count number of stem cells before treatments. Outside of that, there are no clinical institutions that have a flow cytometer. There’s no use for that. So if you need a test, need to either have a buddy who’s a tech that can run the flow cytometer and can do that on the weekend and he does not get caught.
So that’s pretty much your option to get the number of stem cells. And even that, you know, when we do our studies, people come at eight in the morning, they rest for one hour because stress can affect, movement can affect your ability to quantify the number of stem cells in circulation. And then we do a blood sample and we do this in triplicates. And then we give them a placebo or the plant we want to test and we repeat the process after an hour, two hours and three hours.
So, and all I’m saying here is that if you just drive in traffic, go up the clinic in a rush, get your blood sample, and count the number of stem cells that you have in your blood, that quantification may not be valid, may not be representative. So it’s not an easy parameter to quantify and put validity on.
Jannine Krause (54:25.806)
Just look at hormones, it changes every day and every hour. So it’s very tricky to even put a lot of weight in these things. It gives us an idea, but symptoms are always going to be my main thing. Now, one thing I wanna ask before we wrap everything up, peptides are really hot right now. People are doing the expensive stem cell therapies and all of that with peptides.
CD (54:28.398)
Uh-huh.
CD (54:36.814)
Mm-hmm.
CD (54:44.472)
Mm-hmm.
Jannine Krause (54:51.32)
How have you seen your product to work with peptide therapy or have you even looked at it? Have you thought about it? What’s your take?
CD (54:58.36)
Yeah, well we have a growing number of practitioners using stem regen that are doing it in combination with peptides, as well as a growing number of practitioners using peptides and now adding stem regen to it because they see that there’s a really good synergy between the two. And it’s too early, at least I’m not aware of any research that has linked peptides to stem cells, but I’m looking at it
from a distance. Stem cells are the repair system of the body. Nothing in your body will repair without stem cells. If you have a dysfunction of a cell and you reestablish, restore proper function, then okay, I’m not saying stem cells are involved in that process, but if you’re talking about having lost a function where an organ has been damaged, the only thing that will repair is stem cells. So if you’ve got something that repairs,
It has to be because it has an effect on stem cells. Take PMF, red light, peptides, all of these things that are very good to accelerate tissue repair. It has to be through stem cells. Red light has an effect on cells. PMF now, the more that PMF is studied, it is having a significant effect on stem cells. Migration, proliferation, differentiation. So peptides, little research has been done, but I’m virtually convinced.
that one of the mechanism of action is that it leverage stem cells. So if you put more stem cells in the environment and then you use peptides, I think that you’re going to get a really good synergy.
Jannine Krause (56:39.95)
Excellent. I think a lot of people will be happy to hear that too based on you know what they’ve been dabbling in and things of that nature. All right. Wow, such good stuff. I could hold you hostage for hours. But of course, he’s got life and places to be besides hanging out with me. So let’s tell folks. So stemregend.co is the website to find your products. Now, research is going to be put onto the website too so we can see this new article that just came out.
CD (57:10.125)
You know, really good question. Let’s see if we can put that on our website because the moment that we talk about a disease, then we cannot put a brand attached to it. So we’re doing the research, but to be clear, I said it many times, our intent is not to say the product is good for that condition. But it’s in the Journal, what is it? Journal of Stem Cell Science and Therapy, I think. It’s so bad, I should remember that.
Jannine Krause (57:10.186)
or where we find these things.
CD (57:40.045)
Juno stem cell, we’ll find a way to put it out there. I’ll send it to you. I’ll send it to you and you post it there.
Jannine Krause (57:48.386)
Yeah, yeah, we will definitely do that. I totally understand on products. We can’t be saying things that the the FDA and other authorities do not like. Now you were in Canada, correct?
CD (57:55.533)
Mm-hmm.
I’m Canadian, but I’ve been an American for 30 years. So I’m in Montana.
Jannine Krause (58:00.046)
Okay, nevermind. very lovely, very lovely. I was gonna say, know, the peptide guy, John Francois Tremblay, do you know him by any chance? Are you guys?
CD (58:12.352)
Uh-huh. I don’t know him, but the name is very French.
Jannine Krause (58:16.255)
Yes, I was gonna say he does a lot of peptide research. I’m like, how do we get you two together? However, you’re in Montana, I think he’s in Montreal. But nevertheless, just something I was cooking up in my head while we were talking about how do we get you guys together? such good stuff here, Christian. I really appreciate it. Now I’m gonna geek out even more on this. And it’s really inspired me to take a look and really have my patients go, okay, if we can amplify things.
CD (58:20.277)
Yeah, yeah.
CD (58:29.014)
Absolutely.
Jannine Krause (58:45.762)
this is definitely the way to go. So keep up the good work on the research. I love it. And I want to keep seeing more good things coming out of there. And yeah, guys, go over to, I’ve got to make sure I’ve got it right, STEMregen, so S-T-E-M-R-E-G-E-N.co. And we’ll have all of the details at my podcast notes and drjcrowlcnd.com. Thank you so much, Christian. I appreciate it.
CD (59:08.576)
My pleasure.
