Indoor air quality can be one of the biggest sources of chronic illness. From mold to dust mites and other allergens your lungs are processing all these things 24/7.  Many put off or forget to change the filters in their home and car.  By improving the quality of air in your home, car and even work you will allow your lungs to filter allergens more effectively as well as improve oxygen circulation throughout your body to boost your energy and vitality. Leo Tonkin is a cancer survivor and the founder of SALT Chamber, the world’s leading salt therapy product, equipment, and decor company.  For over a decade Leo’s company has created and supported an entire industry for providing a safe, drug-free, evidence-based modality that is ‘hacking’ into our respiratory system to enhance performance and recovery while extending longevity and quality of life.  In this episode of The Health Fix Podcast, Dr. Jannine Krause interviews Leo Tonkin on salt therapy and it’s many benefits.  

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What You’ll Learn In This Episode:

  • How salt therapy is a detox for your lungs and body
  • Moist vs dry salt therapy
  • How salt binds and clears the bugs and allergens that hang out in mucus
  • The ability of salt to get into your skin and de-inflame your body
  • Salt therapy for eczema and psoriasis
  • Increasing lung function, volume and cardiovascular capabilities

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Podcast Transcript:

JANNINE: [Intro] Welcome to the Health Fix Podcast, where health junkies get their weekly

fix of tips, tools, and techniques to have limitless energy, sharp minds, and fit

physiques for life.

Hey health junkies on this episode of the Health Fix Podcast.

I’m interviewing Leo Tonkin.

We’re going to be talking all about salt therapy, otherwise known as Halotherapy.

Leo started Salt Chamber, the world’s leading salt therapy product equipment and decor company

over a decade ago, and he has created an entire industry for providing safe, drug-free,

evidence-based salt therapy to help with your respiratory system. Now, let’s face it, we live

in indoor environments that are kind of toxic with mold infections on the rise and the pandemic

and different kinds of things going on with other bacteria’s and critters, you know, salt

might actually be something to look into. Now, even athletes are using it for recovery and helping

with their lung capacities and helping with their cardiovascular conditioning as well. So,

this is a fascinating topic, really excited to interview Leo because I’ve heard news things

about salt therapy for years, but never actually had a chance to dive into the details.

So let’s introduce you to Leo Tonkin.

Hey, health junkies.

I have Leo Tonkin on today.

And we’re going to be talking about salt therapy,

something that I’ve been familiar with.

I’ve heard of salt chambers, heard of salt caves in Europe

and excited to actually talk about it for once.

So Leo, welcome to the Health Fix Podcast.

LEO: Thank you very much.

Appreciate you having me on.

JANNINE: Well, salt therapy is something that I was introduced to

as a naturopath.

That’s kind of one of those things

that we learned about for respiratory conditions.

And now, of course, with the pandemic, it’s been one of those things we’ve been thinking about.

But one of the fascinating things that you kind of brought up in one of my videos I saw on you,

that I was watching, was a lot of people suspect that these little salt lamps can do

something for them. But that might not be the case. So I’d love for you to dispel some myths

today. And we’ll talk also about how you got into salt therapy, too, here in all that.

LEO: Yeah, sure. When I first got into salt therapy, also known as Halotherapy,

I really was surprised I didn’t care about it. I grew up in… I thought it was a physician,

grew up in a unique environment. And I thought also that when the Himalayan salt lamps, a lot of

people were promoting them as something that would absorb impurities in the air or create negative

ions. And when we first started building salt rooms, including Himalayan salt, which is a great

ambiance, we did the research and actually there was a class action lawsuit against one of the

manufacturers of the lamps where they were making claims, people with allergies and such. And

maybe from a placebo effect, it may have worked, but there’s no health benefits from having those.

It is a crystal. It is a natural element. It does have a tonic frequency. So if you put

tons of salt in a room on the floor or in a cave, like I think you do alter the energy in the room,

not to get too off the engine in terms of respiratory or skin benefit, not a nothing.

JANNINE: Wow. And you know, and that’s something that, you know, that’s kind of everybody’s first

introduction to to Halotherapy and salt therapy. We kind of we kind of been sold on these lamps

and I like the ambiance of them no doubt but obviously if I’m spending money on something

and it’s in my office I want to make sure that I get the most out of of what I’m putting my money

into. Now one of the things that you had mentioned in a couple podcasts and something that I’m really

interested in is is indoor air health and how we can improve things because we’ve got a lot

of folks talking about vaporizers and essential oils, but I’m also thinking, okay, what about

purification? What about things we can do in that department? So, so give us a little scoop there

and how you got into helping with indoor air. 

LEO: You know, when we started Salt Chamber, it really

was more for skin and lung health and respiratory wellness. And primarily when you start looking

at how many people have allergies, asthma, bronchitis, COPD, cystic fibrosis, lung cancer,

the list goes on. And while halo therapy is a great, alt complimentary, natural modality,

it really doesn’t get to the source of the problem. What is, why is it that we have so many people

that have a respiratory condition or getting the cold or flu? And just like the pandemic that you

mentioned, there are amazing amounts of airborne pathogens, allergens, bacteria in the air that

we breathe. And you just start looking at the wildfires that have happened, and you look at the

quality of the air. Now that you have 8 billion people on the planet, you start to wonder.

And so the World Health Organization actually says that there’s about 90% of the world’s

population lives in poor air quality. And it’s not just outdoor to your point, it’s indoor.

And part of it is our HVAC systems. So if you think of your lungs, and when you breathe

things in, you have a kind of a built-in filter system through your nose and through your airways.

You have these structures of these aviolis and such that trap what you breathe in. That’s like our

filter system. Similarly, your HVAC system is like the lungs of your house or your school or

your home. So the question becomes, what are you doing for that air? Do you have an air purifier

monitoring the quality of the year. How often do you change your filters and what filters are you

using? What chemicals are you using when you clean your house or what are you cooked with?

And so it’s invisible that we don’t see it. Many people when you have the sun coming into your

house and you see that dust from how you see, you know, that’s what we’re breathing in, folks,

the dander, the dust, these little microbes of everything. So you start to see, wow, am I being

proactive in taking care of my lungs and salt therapy is like a toothbrush to your respiratory


JANNINE: Interesting. So it’s pulling things out scrubbing, helping you scrub things. Tell us more.

LEO: A lot of people are familiar with salt as a therapeutic modality. It was used as a preservative

many years ago in the lieu of refrigeration. Why? Well, nothing grows on salt. Salt kills

as a surface. And it’s amazing. People use it as a saline solution for your eyes or contact.

Why? Because it is antimicrobial. It’s anti… So salt is a very pure product.

People are familiar with going to the ocean. That’s more of a moist salt when you breathe it in.

People refuse netty pots. So salt is something that really is good for you. A lot of people think

salt might not be and that might be true for digestion or hypertension or high blood pressure.

But breathing in a dry salt particle is what makes Halotherapy distinct. It’s a dry

particle. So because it’s dry, it absorbs what’s inside your lungs or on your skin.

And the particles are so small that they penetrate deep. So your hair is about 50 microns.

in diameter. These salt particles are less than one micron so they get deep in the respiratory

system and just like you put salt on the piece of eggplant, it pulls the moisture out, that’s

what it’s doing. So it’s going to pull out the stuff that gets trapped in your phlegm

and your mucus and the crystals of the salt kind of scrub it, clean it out. So you either

to bring it up or you’ll pass through your urine system.


I don’t think many people would think of it that way, right?

Most of us are kind of stuck in the, okay, salt.

We use it for food.

Maybe some folks have gotten to the point

where the electrolytes and signaling within their body,

but not as an agent to grab things and pull it out.

So of course, the next question becomes,

okay, what kind of salt is this?

And tell us more about your devices to help you

to get the salt into the air.

LEO: Yeah, um, it’s not going to the grocery store and using your kosher salt or Morton salt and it’s not Himalayan salt or sea salt or there’s a dead, you know, dead sea salt or anything.

There’s a lot of varieties of salt around the world.

where this evolved from was really Eastern Europe

in the salt mines underground.

And back in the 1800s, they were chiseling and grinding salt

and it created a salt dust in the air.

And this is what the workers were breathing in all day long.

And you know what?

They started to notice that they were healthier

in their communities.

When they had their version of the pandemic,

whether it’s a bubonic plague or this or that,

they stayed healthy.

So they started doing research.

And then back in the ’70s, last century,

there was a piece of equipment called the halo generator.

Halo is the Greek word for salt.

And it’s a device that takes pure-grade sodium chloride.

So it’s a special salt that comes from the earth,

the land and the sea and the salt lake beds.

But it gets purified to strip it from any non-soluble minerals and elements.

And it’s what they make, if you went to the hospital, saline solution from it’s a dry

salt, 99.99% pure.

And it goes into this device and it grinds it into a very fine dry salt aerosol that

think it dispersed inside of an enclosed room or a booth or some chamber. And that’s what

people are doing at spas and wellness facilities and integrated and functional doctor’s offices

and all over where they’re now becoming more aware of how important you can treat as well

as prevent all types of respiratory conditions. So it’s breathing in this pure gray dry salt


JANNINE: Wow. That’s, I mean, it’s super fascinating. And I think for a lot of people, they might be

thinking too, like, okay, Leo, so, so you’re getting this, this grade, this, this 99, 0.9%

salt. Where, where’s your favorite place from to get it from? Where, where are you getting

the salt from? Where are your salt mines? Let’s, let’s go. 

LEO: Am I getting salted? Well– JANNINE: yes.

I’ve been to Poland to the salt mines there, and it’s pretty amazing. It’s like a whole

city underground, all carved out of salt. But we have a showroom here in Boca Raton, Florida,

and we’ve designed and built about 3,000 facilities all over the country.

And there are all types of, uh, from not resorts, like, uh, the Ritz Carlton and the

four seasons to those community wellness centers, to fitness centers. So really, there’s all kinds

of places. There’s actually a whole association by the salt therapy association that has a

directory. So for some of your listeners, they can go to there and find one of the salt therapy

facilities near you. But for me, I have it right here in my showroom, and I have a little portable

device that we designed just for the home market with a pop-up tent that you sit in for about 10

minutes. It’s safe for kids, children, moms love it because, you know, it’s cold season. It’s the

wintertime, you know, how often kids are getting sick in school. So I take this portable unit with

me and I do it when I’m in a hotel room, which many people know the air inside of those hotels

can be really tough, especially if you have conditions, which is why my voice is sounding

a little bit the way it is, because I was in a hotel last week, but I just sit in the shower stall

and put the salt in the air, and that’s what I do when I travel. It’s very great.

JANNINE: Oh, wow. This is something that kind of makes me think about some of my patients who are sensitive,

have allergies, but also I’ve got a lot of patients who have mold sensitivities in my practice and

thinking of them and some of our flight attendants who travel and I’m going, “Oh, wow, this would be a

great, great thing for them to be able to use.” 

LEO: Yeah, I mean, everybody can benefit. It’s not just

that you need any kind of respiratory condition, but when you do think about what we breathe in,

statistically, our lungs start to stop developing when we’re in our early 30s.

And when you talk about longevity, there was a study done, John Hopkins back in the 80s,

they determined that the single most impactful thing that can impact the longevity of your life

and the quality of your life is your ability to breathe. If you can’t breathe well,

you’re going to have struggles, whether it’s walking up the stairs, playing around a golf,

pick up your grandkids or just doing any kind of things. And so that’s why if you turn on the

evening news and look at the national television commercials, what are you saying? Pharmaceutical

companies, allergy, asthma, so that our current medical system is designed to keep you addicted

to steroid inhalers, and taking pills all the time.

And for some people, I get it.

But we’re evolving in the medical world, and technology and science is really creating

breakthroughs, and you’re starting to see pulmonologists, respiratory therapists, ENT,

and obviously, naturopathic integrated functional physicians and just all kinds of people finding

out and being more aware. I had no idea about it…Ten years ago, I learned about it from

somebody from Eastern Europe. And I was like, wow. And then when I looked into North America,

there was less than 12 places in the country that was offering this. And so I started salt

chamber when I wanted to retire. And here we are almost 12 years later. And still, people

aren’t aware of it. So there’s a long road to go in creating

awareness. But to your point in the beginning, the pandemic

put a big spotlight on respiratory. And often, we don’t

think about things until something’s wrong or broken. You

know, and this is something that we need to embrace now. Because

unfortunately, there probably will be another pandemic.

JANNINE: Yep. Sadly, sadly, that is my suspicion as well. And, and you know, having something like the pop

of tent at me. Awesome. Because, you know, I love the concept of being able to go to the spot and

being able to, you know, purify the body, get some body work, have a salt room, but being able to do

something day in day out, I think is even more incredible for folks as well. So, so give us a

little more you had described you could put it in in the hotel room in in the tub area,

give us like how big is it some dimensions give folks a little visual so they know kind of what

we’re talking about and and give us a little more scoop on on how we take the salt and a little

generator that that kicks out the salt because I think that might be the the halo generators I’d

love to hear about that and I got a couple other questions on that of course. 

LEO: It’s actually pretty

simple. The pop-up tent kind of folds up. Some people have seen these things that when you go to

watch a soccer game out in the rain and you pop up this little camping tent, it’s really kind of

small and it fits very well. And the halo generator is designed and it’s manufactured actually

to medical standards. So we manufactured this where we manufacture blood pressure and nebulizer

equipment. It’s very high-end stainless steel. Salt can be corrosive so it’s very precise.

It’s about nine inches tall and about four inches diameter and basically we have these

individual packets kind of like a sugar packet and you just empty it in and it’s got a keyfob

that you turn on and it starts to grind and disperse the dry salt into the air and these

particles are so small that they start floating up and you really want to keep it enclosed because

you don’t want salt getting all over your house. You don’t want to get in your bedroom. You know,

some people go into a closet and do it, but this pop-up tent is something that you just can pop up,

you plug it, you plug in the halo generator and it goes. I mean, for people that are looking at

this as a new business opportunity or people that have a homeless facility or a massage or yoga,

You’re starting to see all types of environments building salt rooms. There are some places

around the country that you can do yoga and salt at the same time. You can do breath work.

You do guided meditation. There are just so many ways as a business model that is out there

and there’s so many spas and resorts and other places that people are going to

chiropractors, and so many more, putting in these, you know, commercial

think of a telephone booth. And for those of you who can recall what a telephone booth was,

JANNINE: Right? 

LEO: Or a payphone. And you don’t have those really anymore.

JANNINE: No, I take pictures when I see them because it’s just like so

unique these days. Because yeah, that size of something is, you know, a great size. And speaking

of that, you know, kind of kind of the the paper and kind of booth or phone booth. I have seen a

couple will post there on your website about a suana and being able to kind of retrofit a sauna or

figure out how to add one to a sauna. Give us the scoop there because I think a lot of people right

now are going, how can I how can I incorporate this into something I’ve already got kind of like

you were saying layering layering the therapies. 

LEO: Yeah layering and stacking different wellness

modalities is a great idea. We do have a retrofit kit that has a bracket for this to go into a sauna.

The thing you want to understand is do you have a traditional or an infrared? If it’s a traditional

sauna, you want to put like a cover on it so salt particles aren’t getting in. But the other

thing is and not to confuse people, you don’t want to do sauna and salt at the same time because

when you do a sauna, a lot of the detox benefits come from sweating. And so you’re introducing moisture

into the environment. And this is about dry salt. And so not only is your skin going to get crusty

and really bad if it’s moist, that’s why you want to be dry, you’re not going to get the skin

benefit. And one of the things that we did not talk about yet is that because these particles

are so small and they can penetrate deep into your respiratory. They also penetrate the first

layer of the epiderus. And so when you think about the characteristics of halo therapy,

which is that it’s super absorbent, pin dry, it’s antibacterial, right, and it’s anti-inflammatory.

That’s why when you breathe it in, it opens up the airways. So you’re breathing in more oxygen,

more oxygen to your red blood cells is going to increase your cardiovascular and that’s why athletes

are doing this as a treatment because it’s increasing lung function, lung volume, they’re using it for

recovery, re-imposed workout. But for the skin, you think about inflammation, that’s one of the

causes for people that have eczema or psoriasis to break up. So if you expose your skin to the dry

salt, it’s actually going to impact the skin rejuvenation. Think of people that might have

acne, the bacteria, it pulls out the oil. So to have more rigidity in the skin, you expose your

skin while you’re sitting in your sauna or salt booth or a salt boom, and you get that benefit

as well. And when you can just chill, even for 10 minutes, and do some mindfulness, and just do

focus on your breath, you kind of get to a different mental wellness as well. So I like

to think about it as mind, body and breath, which is what it’s all about.

JANNINE: Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, the more we talk about breath work, the more we talk about how

connecting to our deeper energies, let’s put it that way or in our vibe. I mean, it’s so important.

and being able to have something that will add, like you were saying, stacking, I think is incredibly

huge. Now, here’s one interesting thing, and I’m curious about this because I’ve been noticing

this over and over again in my labs when I work with folks, I keep seeing sodium actually being

low on chemistry panels over and over again. Have you seen any results with researchers

had anyone else talk about that connection to possibly chemical air pollution or just stress in


LEO: Yeah, I think, you know, I think there’s been a perception that salt is bad for you.

Yeah. And, you know, the first thing, you know, I do when I wake up in the morning is I hydrate.

And I actually use a so-way mixture where I have Himalayan salt rocks in a jar of spring water

that saturates the water to a certain level that’s great for a pH balance. Some people may use things

like LMT, one of our partners, where it’s a package of sodium, has some magnesium and other

minerals in it. We need salt into our system, and I think salt has gotten a bad rap in the past,

and I think people need to learn more about how salt really is good for you.

Obviously, Halo therapy is breathing it in, which it doesn’t really impact any of your sodium

benchmarks or metrics per se or markers. But salt intake and understanding your metabolic

system and how salt gets into your system, I think more and more people need to learn about that.

And I think you’re starting to see how things like hypotonic saline solutions that have been

and utilize nebulizers that are just more of a moist salt.

I drink my sodium in my throughout the day.

I don’t think people really realize that.

Obviously, if you’re doing exercise,

you know, after you do a salt session,

we tell people, hydrate.

And I don’t think part of it has to do with that.

I reflushing our system out.

And salt’s really great for doing that.

You know, every pretty much every drug or supplement

that’s out there has some form of sodium chloride

’cause it’s a great transport system

for getting things into your blood system.

So that’s why if you drink salt water,

it’s gonna get throughout your system a lot faster.

JANNINE: Absolutely, absolutely.

I mean, it makes sense.

It makes sense.

I mean, there are so many different flushes, right?

Even your digestive flush with higher amounts of salt.

I think if we step back from it,

and one of the things I think a lot of folks have been,

like you said, brainwashed about salt is bad.

Don’t take extra salt in.

I think, like you said,

the pure salt is what you’re using.

A lot of folks are confused as to,

“Well, isn’t Morton’s or isn’t commercial salt pure?”

And this is something that I have to keep highlighting

over and over again, like,

no, there’s other things in it.

And so I’d love to hear your kind of spiel,

spiel on what you say as a blanket statement

for the difference between pure salt and table salt.

LEO: I think it depends on the purpose

of what you’re using salt for, right?

You live up in Wisconsin and when it’s iced over,

they put certain salt on the roads.


LEO: There’s salt that we use.

You know, a lot of people, when Morton salt came out

with that, when I’m getting enough iodine.

Most salt products that are out there for consumption

is about 96 to 97% sodium chloride.

Himalayan salt, I use a lot in my own cooking.

We’ve even designed aging rooms for meat

where they have salt, Himalayan,

salt bricks in there that kind of evaporate

with the humidity to help tenderize and flavor the meat.

That’s why it was used as a preservative back in the day

and why, you know, if you watch the food channel,

It’s always about getting the right seasoning of salt,

salt’s good for protein.

So same with in our system.

It’s all about the proteins that we have in our system.

So most of the salt that’s out there

is pretty much good salt to eat.

You wanna look to see if it’s a natural,

if there’s any additives to it.

That’s why I like to use just pure Himalayan salt.

We don’t use it in the halo generator

because some of these salts could have other minerals

and get stuck in your respiratory system

that are not water soluble.

The sodium chloride we have,

you really don’t wanna use it as a food salt

because you need some aspect of the coating on the salt.

So whether it’s a organic salt or, you know,

most salt is, you know, salt’s not man-made.

So Redmond salt from Utah,

You’ve got different salts around,

there’s over hundreds of varieties of where salt comes from,

but you wanna take a look at the purification,

but there’s salt from Africa,

there’s salt from the Middle East,

there’s salt Caribbean salt, Dead Sea salt.

Some say that it’s great for more of a bath, right?

Epsom salt, for example,

some of your listeners may be into flotation

and what they utilize for salt therapy,

where you put, you know, 800 pounds of Epsom salt

in this kind of a tub that you float in.

And that’s always been good for you as well.

It’s foot salt baths, other salt baths that are out there.

So all kinds of salt,

but the salt that you breathe in is a pure grade salt.

JANNINE: I was hoping you kind of go down that route

to kind of give us the breakdown.

‘Cause I mean, I think a lot of people,

if they invest in a halo generator,

they’re gonna know that like, okay, you know,

we’ve got to use this one type of salt,

but I think it’s important to keep that,

that distinguishment out there because the salts

with minerals, obviously we don’t want minerals

getting stuck in the lungs, we wanna make sure

that we’re using the purest possibility out there.

Now, I’m super intrigued.

I love spas, I used to own one myself.

And I know that with the salt chamber,

you’ve got a list of different folks out there

and you even were able to rattle off the Sundara spot here.

in Wisconsin. I’m, I’m very curious with that. Can folks find all the spots you’ve worked

with on the Salt Chamber website or do you have a?

LEO: Yeah, so we do have a directory at If you go to our resource page and go

down to our directory, you’ll see them all over the country and all over the world,

as well as the They have a directory. Again,

And there’s probably around 4,000 facilities around the U.S. in Canada.

And this is something that’s just becoming more and more of a business model.

If you think about it, for those of you on the business side, putting in a salt booth

or designing a really cool salt room is not a large amount of money.

But the return on the investment, you don’t need a special license, you don’t need a licensed

therapist or anything, and the salt is costing you pennies.

And so a lot of people are going to facilities and they’re paying anywhere from $15 and $25

on the lower end up to packages where you’re going into a facility and getting a certain

amount of sessions a week or a month.

of them might have other modalities like infrared or cryotherapy or flotation or red

light or other modalities. So you do want to shop around and take a look at it. And

if you’re interested in that pop-up salt booth and checking that out, we’re going to give

all your listeners a 10% discount and they can go to and see what

that portable units all about.

JANNINE: Awesome. Well, we’ll definitely make sure we get that folks in at

in the show notes. And I, of course, we’ll put it out on

Instagram as well. Now I, I’m, you know, having owned a spa before,

I always think about stacking things. Of course, I’m an acupuncturist as well.

And so I’m thinking how cool would it be to have, you know, the salt going during


LEO: You can. There’s people that are doing that. They’re doing group acupuncture inside

salt rooms, they’re doing it individually.

You can actually take a treatment room

and make it into a multipurpose room,

where you can have the halo generator attached to the room.

And while you’re doing certain modalities,

obviously you don’t wanna have a lot of electronics

in a room ’cause these salt particles can get into,

let’s say a biocharger or a hydrophacial

or other type of equipment.

But massage and salt, acupuncture and salt,

breathwork, Rolfing, reflexology, Reiki.

So many things that people are doing.

So while you’re just sitting there,

I mean, we have facilities now that are specifically designed

where you’re doing IV hydration.

So while you’re getting your drip on,

you can get salted by breathing in the salt

while you’re lying there.

So a lot of interesting modalities

in this cool wellness space that we’re all in,

that we’re more into our self-care

and you have people like yourselves

that are really putting the word out there,

informing and education is I think the most important thing.

But a lot of ways that you could be utilizing it.

JANNINE: Oh my gosh, yeah, I have so many ways in my head

that I’m thinking about.

And plus, one thing, let’s talk about this for a second

because I think a lot of people have seen

the really cool spa rooms where the salt decor

and that’s one thing that you guys work with as well

on the walls and to a non-educated eye,

you think to yourself, oh,

everything’s coming out of the decor,

just like we had talked about before with the salt lamp.

And so I would love for you to talk about the decor,

how you can work it into things,

but also understanding that that’s not exactly

where the benefit’s coming from.

LEO: Right, I mean, people just love seeing

these backlit Himalayan brick walls.

They’re very, I mean, the color,

There’s two different ways you can do.

There’s the typical pinkish amber kind of color

that just creates a very,

for those that are into chromatherapy

or you looking at color therapy,

there is some real science behind that.

And so when you’re in that type of environment,

it just creates this kind of relaxation soothing.

There are people that are doing sound baths,

Himalayan bowls, crystal bowls,

while being in a salt room

that has the Himalayan salt on the floor.

So it looks like it’s a beach.

You know, you got this cool texture.

Some do it more cave-like,

where they’re taking chunks of these Himalayan lamps,

sort of that are cut and put into structures,

twinkle, skies, like you got.

I mean, you can get expensive, right?

A lot of people may just put one feature wall.

We take Himalayan salt as pricks.

They also are white Himalayan,

more pure, where you can put color lights behind them

and create different colors in doing it.

We do in our salt booths.

We have color therapy lights

where you have things in there.

So it’s just really beautiful.

You can put it in a sauna.

You’ll see a lot of saunas now

where they’re putting that as a decor.

but again, to your point, it’s only decor.

There’s no, even when you heat it up,

you’d really have to heat salt to about 1,500 degrees

to get the molecules to separate and create something,

but that’s not healthy.

So it’s just been a really cool decor element.

And when you’re looking at environments,

when you wanna take a timeout,

you wanna break, take a breath break,

you wanna take a mental timeout,

you want to do something that’s good for your skin

and your lungs, why not?

JANNINE: Right, I mean, I’m looking in my,

I do my podcast in my basement,

I’m looking over in this corner area,

I’m like wondering what to do with that space.

Maybe I need to create a little something in there.

So of course I’m going to ask now,

’cause I’m just curious what,

I know you’ve done a lot of different projects.

What’s been like one of your favorites

in terms of a spa or a space that is so relaxing

and just one of your favorite ones to create.

Give us a scoop.

LEO: Well, we just came back from being in New York

and there’s a facility there,

a hotel, a property called Virgin Hotel.

Many people know Virgin, Richard Branson in Virgin.

And there’s a new rebrand of a spa and fitness group

called Exhale.

And they just, Exhale just opened up their new flagship

the Virgin Hotel in New York City and they’re going to be opening up others and we created this

salt recovery lounge with them that has these really cool chairs from Oak Works where it’s this

sound vibration chair that you sit in and you’ve got this beautiful brick wall and you’ve got the

salt come and you could do an IV you could do compression like the Thera body you can do this

sleep mask, all of these modalities,

that you can just go and lie down and just exhale.

And it’s just really a cool thing.

They just opened up literally on Friday, very cool space.

And then there’s a couple that are on the West Coast

where they really created a really cool cave-like structures

that when you go in there, it’s like,

“Wow, think of Disney World.”

And you think of some of the events.

So we got some very creative people

are doing all kinds of things, really to create a place to go and relax. You know, all kinds of

spots had these relaxation rooms to sit in. Well, now how to be intentional? How to have the right

kind of music therapy? How do you get the senses involved in creating multi-sensory experiences

at home? And we’ve been doing residential projects. We did a beautiful salt room for Tony Robbins

here up in West Palm Beach. He’s got an amazing salt room that we did. And so there’s a lot of

very cool residential projects that people can do. Some have good budgets to do them,

but you can do something very simple. Just to your point, do one panel. We have people that use it

as a headboard in their bedroom or, you know, in other places. So it’s very cool as a decor

element. And we have designers on our team to help people figure that out.

JANNINE: Wow. That’s so fun. That’s so fun. Honey, you should mention

Exhale. I worked at Exhale, the old Exhale in Chicago before all of it

changed over. And it’s a great, great group. You know, I’m excited to

see how New York goes. But just having a space in your home for

relaxation and being able to design it, I think, is a fun, fun

place to start. And you know, like you were saying, it doesn’t have to be a lot of money

in this case. Now, of course, folks might be interested in going, okay, Leo, so can

they contact you guys? How do they contact you guys to be able to design something? We’re

looking for ideas. 

LEO: No, I appreciate it. Yeah. Well, they for sure go to our website at saltchamberinc I-N-C .com


You can also call our toll free number at 855-love-salt.

That’s L-U-V-S-A-L-T.

So that’s 855-love-salt,

and we’re

JANNINE: Wow, well, you’ve inspired me to want to retrofit

some stuff in the back of my basement here,

and I know Spas, you know, around,

and anyone who might be listening right now

might be thinking like, oh, wow, there’s got to be some way we

can stack something in. And sounds like you guys are the folks

to get the scoop from. So, great stuff here. Can’t wait to to

share this one. And the pop up tent. Now, of course, that is that

is something that intrigues me as well. And for folks to kind of

take on the go, will you remind folks how they can find that

one and how they can connect with you everywhere you’re you’re

LEO: Yeah, no, yeah, absolutely. We’re on instant. We’re on social

media, look at, you’ll see the pop up tent with the portable halo generator

that also has a sonic conversion kit for folks. And we’re going to give you all a 10% discount on

all of that. It has everything that you need to know there. And some folks are using it as a

business opportunity. They’re going to the schools, they’re going to doctors offices,

educating people about it. Bring it to your local health fair. Senior citizens are doing it.

Senior living facilities. I have so many friends of mine, like my mom is 84 and I bring it to her

and it’s, she just loves it. It clears her up. So there’s just so many possibilities. We have

moms with kids that are pre-asmatic or there’s, you know, there’s colds going around in school.

first sign of sniffles, pop that thing up, go in there. So check us out on Instagram and Facebook,

go to And if you got certain conditions, we’ve got great salt therapy

consultants on board to help you out as well. 

JANNINE: Ooh, let’s talk about that for a second though,

because I mean, that I know we didn’t dive into all the different conditions that one can

can work with with this, but tell us about the sauna. 

LEO: yeah I mean there’s so many ways that

respiratory affects people and we have a certified halo therapist program from the salt therapy

association that dives deep into the lung and respiratory system and when you start to look

at what are the some of the things that we can be doing to really take care of our lungs in a

proactive way there’s a lot of things that we need to be doing you know a lot of us are

mouth breathers, for example. How to do the right breath work. I know I had

cancer six years ago. I’m a survivor. I had a stage four tumor. I had a trache in

my throat, and I had learned how to eat and breathe differently as I was being

radiation and chemo. And I’m now in complete remission and cured, but I

learned a lot more deeper about the personal impact about how we breathe.

impacts are well-being and I think we take it for granted. We’re not aware of

our breath during the day and so there’s a lot of things to learn that can help

our breathing and there’s a lot of conditions that we don’t understand.

Everyone has that some form of allergies. Do people really understand what are

their triggers? What about the air filters? I mean I live here in Florida.

We run our air conditioning a lot right and we were told back in the day

Oh, change your filter every six months.

You got to be doing it every month and you got to have the right filter.

What is it rated for?

You have devices out there that are air filters in your home, get them.

Things like molecule or other products that are out there, air pure, different ones.

Get an air quality control system to monitor.

It’s just something that we’re not aware of until it’s kind of like our car from the

red light goes on.


to go do something. But are we changing the oil regularly? What about even our car? You know,

there’s an air filter. Do you know what that brake dust and the rubber dust that is on our roads

that we breathe in all day long that we’re not aware of? It’s interesting. So it’s something

that should be top of mind. There’s not a lot of contraindications for doing salt therapy.

It’s safe. The only contraindications are people with certain stage of lung cancer.

You don’t want to expose open wounds to salt because it could sting a bit, right?

But other than that, I’ve got four grandkids and they’ve been doing salt since they’ve been six

months old. One particularly had a respiratory issue that had been born a little premature

he’s been in the salt booth. So you just use a lower concentration. Athletes are doing it

right before they’re going to work out, as well as play in sports opens up the airway,

more oxygen coming in. A lot of applications for so many people.

JANNINE: Well, I could think of a million. I mean, you know, more than just the relaxation,

I’m thinking folks with chronic sinus issues, which I see more and more. I’m thinking sleep apnea,

having something in your bedroom. Like you’re mentioning the headboard, I’m like, hmm, a whole

salt bedroom. 

LEO: Right. Well, I mean, that’s one of the reasons I think, you know, Tony Robbins got

salt therapy because he was from sleep, you know, when salt anti-inflammatory. So when it

reduces the inflammation throughout your sino, you know, nasal cavity, all the way down to your,

you know, your esophagus down through your vocal cords and everything, it just reduces the

inflammation, which is one of the causes of sleep apnea.

And so people that are on, you know, sleep apachines or other things, we have people

that are doing that not using those anymore.

We have people that were on COPD on oxygen tanks, not using that often.

Same thing with steroid inhalers.

I’m not telling you that this is a replacement, but as you start getting your lungs healthier

and focus on respiratory,

you’ll see a big difference in the quality

and the longevity of your life.

JANNINE: Absolutely, absolutely.

I’ve no doubt, I’ve no doubt.

Wow, this has been a fabulous conversation

and I, you know, lots of things enlightened here

and I think a lot of folks are gonna be thinking differently

about how can they maybe incorporate some salt

into their world, if not dabbling in a spa first experience

and then seeing if it’s for you.

So thanks again, Leo, for coming on.

So much good information.

I sincerely appreciate it.

LEO: Oh, absolutely.

Thanks for having me on.

Look forward to hearing some feedback from your listeners.

JANNINE: I have no doubt that folks will love this.

And we’ll make sure guys that all of the websites,

all the details and your discount code

will be at

Thanks, Leo.

Appreciate it.

LEO: You bet.

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