Do you enjoy the benefits of acupuncture or body work but wish the effects would last longer?  Have chronic muscle tension or pain that plagues you from time to time?  Mood off and nothing seems to be working to get you back to feeling good in your body again?  Dealing with a neurodegenerative condition or have someone you know that has Parkinson’s or MS and wish there was something that could continuously deliver benefits to the nervous system? Fabio Fontana is an Italian bioengineer that had a serious accident 9 years ago that left him with constant headaches, limited mobility and relentless chronic pain. When laser therapy and biophysics based tools lessened his symptoms he knew he had to develop something that he could use and share with others who could benefit from this technology. In this episode of The Health Fix Podcast, Dr. Jannine Krause interviews Dmitri Leonov CEO and co-founder of Taopatch USA on it’s technology and how it’s helping those with MS to the top tennis player Novak Djokovic relieve pain, emotional stress and other neurological based symptoms. 

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What You’ll Learn In This Episode:

  • How your nerve cells use light energy to communicate and regulate the body
  • The process of pairing nanocrystals with light and heat to remind your nervous system of how to communicate effectively 
  • The improvements the Taopatch elicits on proprioception, range of motion and the entire nervous system
  • Why the Taopatch is placed on specific acupuncture points for maximum effect
  • The use of Taopatch for MS, Parkinson’s, chronic pain, mood disorders and athletic performance

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Podcast Transcript

JANNINE: [Intro] Welcome to the Health Fix Podcast, where health junkies get their weekly

fix of tips, tools and techniques to have limitless energy, sharp minds and fit

physiques for life.

Hey health junkies, on this episode of the Health Fix Podcast, I’m interviewing

Dmitri Leonov. We’re going to be talking about the Taopatch. The Taopatch is a

wearable nanotechnology device that combines light therapy with acupuncture.

It actually captures heat from your body, converts it into light and emits it into specific acupuncture


Now how cool is that?

Now this thing can stimulate your nervous system and it has been found to really create

some great results for folks with MS, Parkinson’s and other neurological conditions.

It also is being used by some top athletes including number one tennis player right now,

Novak Djokovich and he has called it the secret of his career, so that’s pretty impressive.

Now, the Taopatch was created in Italy and it’s used quite heavily by quite a few docs over there.

There’s a lot of research, fascinating stuff, and I don’t want to give it all away. I want you

to listen to the podcast because Dmitri’s got some really cool things to say about the Taopatch,

and I got to be honest, I’m intrigued and I think I’m going to try this out and match it with a

with a couple of things I’m doing in my office.

So, nevertheless, let’s introduce you

to Dmitri Leonov and talk about the Taopatch

Hey all junkies, I am Dmitri Leonov on

and we are going to be talking about the Taopatch today,

which is something that’s super fascinating to me

because I’m an acupuncturist,

but also just very fascinating technology.

I love stuff when we can use it as,

let’s put it this way,

something that we don’t have to ingest

like lots of supplements.

So, Dmitri, welcome to the Health Fix Podcast.

DMITRI: Thank you for having me.

JANNINE: Now, we were talking a little bit before we got you started

and you said you are in Germany at the moment.

What brings you to Germany?

Are you there on vacation having fun?

DMITRI: No, it’s Northern Germany in November

is not exactly the best place for vacation.

No, my kids live here.

So I spend quite a bit of time here.

JANNINE: Ah, nice, nice.

I was curious, yes, November and Germany,

or even in Illinois, where I’m at currently,

definitely chilly and not the most lovely of places.

So let’s talk about something that does light us all up here.

As the thought of thinking about how we can use

nanotechnology that combines light and acupuncture points.

So fascinating stuff here.

How did you come to find the Taopatch and the technology

and all of the stuff?

Give us the scoop.

DMITRI: Sure, sure.

Well, so I didn’t invent the technology.

Technology was invented in Italy a few years ago

by a gentleman called, named Fabio Fontana.

And the story is he had a really serious accident.

And after the accident, he tried every possible therapy.

To help him and nothing was really working except for light therapy or specifically low-level laser therapy

Which is a really well studied?

Form of medicine with a bunch of studies on it and a lot of a lot of practitioners using it

The issue with it is that it’s a pretty bulky

set of set of equipment and you know you need a

Power connection and normally it’s something you do at a doctor’s office

you know, an hour at a time and afterwards you kind of go back to your normal life and

nothing, you know, it doesn’t really give it enough time to properly integrate into your


So this is what kind of started the start of the thinking.

And so, and then we developed this nano material, which is inside the Taopatch.

it’s not a material has a pretty unique set of qualities. So number one, it can capture

the heat from your body. So your, in other words, your infrared energy, and it converts

it into a broader spectrum of light. So it basically turns it from infrared light or infrared

energy to light all the way from infrared to ultraviolet.

And, and the idea is then you place the patches on specific

active points. And this is where the acupuncture chain comes

in. So depending on where you place it, it can have a

different effect. And when this light, and it’s a very

faint light, but you can actually see them, you can see it

low in the dark. But yeah, and then really nice thing. So it

doesn’t need batteries that uses your your own body heat. And

it works for two and a half years. So the principle is you

place them on the exactly points and it works for two and a half

years without batteries. So it’s a really consistent delivery of

light into your nervous system. And so why is this light

Why does light therapy and specifically low-level laser therapy work?

The reason it works is the light that enters your nervous system

is very similar to the bio-fotons that your nerve cells actually use to communicate.

And, you know, I was taught in school that our nerve cells use electricity.

But back in the 70s, it was shown that they also use photons, and so basically, our photons

from Taopath, when they go into your nervous system, they kind of remind, in a way, your

central nervous system, how it’s naturally meant to communicate with your body, with

the rest of your body, with your muscles and your nerves.

And so the idea is that it’s a very consistent subtle,

but consistent communication that kind of

allows your body to integrate these wavelengths, this light.

And again, the health care nervous system function

naturally the way it’s supposed to be.

So why is this important is it’s really helpful for all of us.

and we have equipment in our lab which shows basically in every single case whenever we measure,

for example, the balance of a person before and after putting on the patches,

we can see that the person becomes much more physically balanced. And the way we measure

this is, there is this device called force plates, I’m sure you’re familiar, which essentially

measures how weight is distributed between your, within your feet. So you can, as if you’re standing

on this plate, there’s there are sensors inside that are showing how your weight kind of changes,

and where how your center of gravity moves, you know, it’s from left to right, from front to back.

and literally every single case when we put somebody on these plates, we can see that

the person becomes much more centered and there’s not that the variation becomes minuscule,

meaning the person just stands straight without moving around. If that makes sense,

how I’m describing it would be much easier if I could show you but hopefully I’m describing it

JANNINE: Sure, no, I think most people that have been

to different offices where let’s say like the feet places

where you could see the heat sensing in the feet.

Like when we’re looking at that,

I think maybe we could visualize it somewhat like that

of sorts and seeing where the pressure points are

in terms of how we’re distributing our weight.

And if we’re not distributing it evenly,

then our energy isn’t balanced from one side to the other.

Is that a good, is that a good way to kind of try to give folks a visual?

DMITRI: Yeah, this is so specifically what I was referring to is the how the weight is distributed, how like the, you know, the center of gravity goes from your left to right foot and how it is within the heel and the toes and so on.

But really what this is just one example, but really what’s happening is your entire nervous system begins to function better.

And so the first system within the body that gets affected

is your proprioception.

And this is why balance is the first thing,

the range of motion is another one.

But it affects, especially over time,

it can affect your entire body.

But the proprioception becomes a really, really important

improvement, particularly for really for two groups of people.

And up until recently, most of our customers

had neurological disorders.

And this is people with, for example,

multiple sclerosis or Parkinson’s,

where this communication between your brain

and the rest of the body gets damaged in some way.

And for them, it’s a really, really significant improvement.

on our website, if you go to,

you can see the before and after videos.

And a lot of them are taken within the same day,

and you can literally see within minutes

how people start to walk straight

instead of how they walked before

where it was a much more difficult process for them.

And then the second group of people

that would been really helping is athletes.

And we have quite a lot of athletes

who were using us.

We had five Olympic athletes, several world champions,

including Novak Djokovic, who was the number one tennis

player, probably of all time, actually.

JANNINE: Oh, wow.

DMITRI: So yeah, at the press conference over the summer,

he said that Taopatch–

and I quote–

he said, “It’s the biggest secret of my career,

and I wouldn’t be sitting here without it today.


DMITRI: Yeah, so that was a very big testimonial for us.

JANNINE: Absolutely, absolutely.

I mean, having something on your body

that your body actually activates

is fascinating in and of itself,

but also it’s like, it kind of answers the question,

kind of like you had said,

something that you can keep the treatment going.

You know, that’s the one bummer that as an acupuncturist,

I was always like, oh,

If I could just see someone every single day,

we would move so much faster with this, you know?

And so seeing this be able to help folks

with their movement and things of that nature,

and like you’re saying with MS in particular,

we’ll go back to that, seeing the improvement in one day,

sometimes, and you’ve probably heard of this

from other practitioners,

we’ll get great improvement in one day,

and then it kind of like the effect wears off,

Whereas the Taopatch can extend that, correct?

DMITRI: Exactly, exactly.

And just to set expectations,

it’s not always that noticeable within a day,

like in some cases it takes longer

to notice the difference.

However, with equipment,

we absolutely can always measure the improvement

pretty much immediately.

JANNINE: Wow, wow, that’s really awesome.

I mean, you have to figure,

And this is something, of course, for folks to understand that, you know, sometimes just

depending on where the body is energetically, I call it, we have to sometimes wake up bodies

a little bit more than others, depending on how toxic someone’s body is or how much damage

there has been.

I’m sure.

DMITRI: Exactly.

JANNINE: Notice that, too.


DMITRI: Exactly.

And this is kind of the, you bring up earlier points.

So, you know, the reason why a, you know, any therapy is needed, right, our bodies are

kind of designed to function, you know, normally. But, you know, the, yes, there are genetic factors,

probably with things like MS or Parkinson’s or other neurological disorders. But really,

the toxicity that you brought up is why all of us can benefit from, you know, some form of therapy,

because we’re not designed to live in a world with toxins, with electromagnetic

frequencies, right? With the artificial light, all these things.

JANNINE: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I do think that the artificial light is one of the things that really messes

with us and in the concept of how the Taopatch is using light therapy, you know, kind of using

the light to stimulate the nervous system, I would love to go into that a little bit more because

I think folks are like, okay, so we emit a little bit of energy and then the Taopatch kind of

takes that and sends it back into to us. Can you can you expand on that a little bit more?

DMITRI: Sure thing. Honestly, here’s the thing. It’s it’s really, really, really difficult for us to

kind of intuitively understand how this works, right? Because especially when and this is one of

one of the challenges that we run into in trying to explain it is like you put this little tiny

thing that looks like a plastic point on certain points on the body and then all these changes

happen and the changes are measurable, noticeable and quite profound. It’s really difficult to

understand how, you know, how this works. And frankly, I would think it’s similar to acupuncture

in a sense, right? Like how does putting pressure or, you know, a needle on a certain point can have

this profound attack. In this case, instead of using needles, we use light.

And the reason why it is important is, number one, like I mentioned, it’s similar to the light

that our own nerve cells use to communicate. And then the other factor is the artificial light

that we were just talking about. Now, again, we evolved over millennia to wake up with the sun

and experience of more ultraviolet wavelengths earlier in the day and then more infrared

or darker kind of orange wavelengths at night. And nowadays, we don’t really experience this,

right, sitting inside where, you know, our sleep is affected and so on. And so by, by

providing our body with, you know, more targeted, but all of these wavelengths, nonetheless,

is a really, is another reason why this is so helpful. 

JANNINE: Yeah. Yeah. 

DMITRI: Hope I’m answering your question.

to answer. But honestly, the only way I would say the best way to see how this works is to try it.

And this is as a kind of a quote unquote alternative therapy. One of the ways that we

get over this is to have a money back guarantee. So what we always recommend is try it, see if it

works for you. If it doesn’t work for you, just send them back and we’ll refund you your money,

the book questions asked. 

JANNINE: That’s huge. I mean, that’s incredibly huge. I saw that. And I think

for a lot of people, you know, that that takes the barrier, right? It takes a barrier way to try

out and see, you know, see what what happens, you know, what what’s been noted about top hatches

is that’s the patented wearable nanotechnology. I think for a lot of folks, they’re thinking,

Okay, nanotechnology. It’s absorbing things across the skin, but they’re not thinking the light. So

that that’s something that I think is absolutely fascinating. Is there anything else, because I

I was when I was reading through, I saw crystal nano crystals. Is there anything that is besides

the light getting absorbed across the skin? With the patches, are there minerals? Are there any

salts, anything else that are that’s on the patches? Or is it just pure the reaction with your body’s

heat and energy. And then the light coming in from that.

DMITRI: Nothing at all other than the light. This is and this is kind of a, yeah, it’s a

really interesting point that you bring up as well. You know, I would say there’s

a pretty fundamental difference between, you know, it’s called holistic medicine

and, you know, allopathic or Western medicine, where, you know, allopathic

medicine kind of, well, first of all, it takes, it breaks the body into different systems or body

parts, and addresses individual symptoms usually, right? And which kind of usually further destabilize

the overall balance. And by contrast, most holistic medicine looks at the whole body, right? And body,

mental state, your emotional state, and kind of treats the whole body and really doesn’t even

treat anything. And this is my kind of personal opinion, but I would be curious if you agree,

most of the holistic therapy methods really just aim at bringing you into balance, right?

Because and then the other thing is that once your body’s in balance, it’s perfectly capable of

healing itself? 

JANNINE: Absolutely, absolutely. I mean that that’s what holistic medicine is like that’s

the foundation of what we do. Unfortunately, you know, it’s hard to to sell the world of balance.

Sometimes because we’re we’re trying to to explain that if the body falls into balance like you’re

saying it or gets into balance, I shouldn’t say fall because we fall out of balance, I feel better

to about saying that. But when we come into balance, it’s one of those things that

all of the different symptoms that you’re seeing, the signs that you’re out of balance,

start to start to fall away. And so it takes away the concept, like you said, of the very

segmented Western view or conventional view of medicine. And so helping to try to folks bridge

that gap in their mind that, wait, we have the possibility to literally give the body the tools

it needs to balance itself. What? I’m sure you’ve run up against trying to explain that to folks too.

DMITRI: Yeah, all the time. And what’s really interesting in our case, it’s, we’re using your own body’s

energy, redirecting it back into your body, right? So there’s really nothing external that’s happening.

So your own resources kind of helping you rebalance yourself.

JANNINE: which is super cool.

I mean, I’ve never heard of anything quite like that

where we’re using our own resources

because when I was first looking at the patches,

I was like, is it like a 10s unit?

You know, like, are we adding?

Because, you know, so many things now we have all of this,

this technology where unfortunately now

we’re adding more EMFs to our own systems.

And so the fact that this is just your own body’s energy

being converted to help itself.

I mean, pretty stinking genius.

I gotta be honest, I’m like, whoa, how, how did you,

like, how did you really like, did you,

were you doing research to come into contact with this?

Were you looking at, you know, technologies

that you were like, hey, I really wanna, you know,

try something out, did you try it yourself?

Like, give us a scoop there.

Like, how did you decide that like,

I have to share this with the world.

DMITRI: Happy to.

So, my personal story is I come from– so I’m a software

entrepreneur, so I’ve come from that world.

Then over the few years ago, rather,

I kind of, I think like many people have gotten

really interested in trying to solve

like real human problems.

And health is probably the health and wellness

is the one that just resonated with me the most.

health is wealth, right?

And so I get involved with the organization

called Transformative Technologies,

which was a, we had a conference,

a kind of an incubator and just an organization

to kind of dedicate it to promoting technologies

for wellness and kind of the intersection

of wellbeing and wellness and tech stuff.

technology. And so I really started kind of looking into

different different tools, different companies, and so on.

And then my partner, who is Italian, found actually his

sister first came across to Taopatch and started using it

herself and saw incredible things with her health. Then my

partner had a wrist injury, he tried it, he put on his wrist,

and again, it’s the only thing that helped him. And so this

happen right around COVID. And so what we’ve happened till then, the only way for you to

use Taopatch would be to go to a doctor in Italy. And there’s a there’s quite a network of

practitioners in Italy that work with it. And work with a doctor who can describe it to you

to put it on different points and kind of see what see what works. So what we wanted to do is

bring this to more people worldwide. And so we kind of simplified the protocols and we

we found protocols of work best for most people. And we’ll figure out how we can

shift to the door and help you put them on and wear them.

JANNINE: Ah, okay. So transitioning it from like the traditional, like you said,

The doctors are acupuncture is the office where we’re, as the practitioner choosing the points.

Now you guys played with it enough or experimented enough and you’re like, okay, we know that

these particular sequences work for certain, certain things.

I noticed there’s the sports patches, there’s the mood, the mood patches, right?

There’s ones for mood as well.

And then, or a mental well-being, as you could say.

And then there’s the ones that are for the neurological side of things, like going back

like you said, the multiple sclerosis, Parkinson’s and things of that nature. So give us a little

breakdown on what’s the difference between the different categories of Taopatches. What’s

what’s different about those patches from one to the other?

DMITRI: Sure. The only real difference is the specific wavelengths of light are being emitted. So in

In some cases, well, there are plenty of studies that show difference in, for example, infrared

light and the effect it has on your system and ultraviolet light and the effect it has

on your system.

And so different patches have us slightly different, or in some cases, significantly

different set of wavelengths that they emit.

So for example, the startup at start is kind of our baseline product that we started with.

And that one is kind of from infrared to yellowish wavelength, then the pro is all the way from

infrared to ultraviolet.

And then sports is kind of a subset of those.

it’s a little bit more focused on sports, performance, recovery, and also pain management.


DMITRI: But then, and all of them can help with different conditions and different things you’re

trying to influence. However, we really do owe almost everything to Chinese medicine and acupuncture

because most of the protocols that we’ve developed come from Chinese medicine,

and they’re really their acupuncture protocols or acupuncture points.

With some exceptions, of course, namely the, for example, for pain and injury recovery,

wherever you have the injury, you just place them on that point,

and what happens is the light goes to the root of the issue and actually helps

helps regenerate tissue and helps the recovery itself.

So it’s not a, yes, the pain goes away,

but it’s not a painkiller.

It’s actually solving the actual problem.

JANNINE: Yeah, yeah, it’s much different.

I think a lot of folks might be thinking like,

to me sure, it’s just kind of like those copper patches

that people had from Japan or magnets or things of that nature.

I think that’s kind of what some folks might be thinking like,

Okay, is it like, does it work like that?

But I’m glad you mentioned,

’cause back again to the light is affecting

the acupuncture points and channels

and we’re getting balanced versus a full kind of just

endorphin release and pain relief in the local area.

That’s really neat.

That’s really neat to think about that.

Okay, okay.

Wow, you know, I think the other part of this

that I could see it for a workout and fitness recovery.

I do find it fascinating though,

for the neurodegenerative conditions

like the multiple sclerosis and Parkinson’s.

And with a lot of people having strokes more commonly nowadays,

it does seem like this impact on the neurological system

and helping the neurological system to find balance

would be incredible.

– Now, you were saying that you were,

you were seeing folks getting changes, you know,

some people, immediately some people,

it took a little bit longer of time.

Can you share any case studies?

Like for example, like if we look at MS or Parkinson’s,

folks who had multiple years with either condition,

do you have some case studies that you could share with us

or something, someone you saw that struck you

or something like that just to give us a little example?

DMITRI: Oh, ton, I mean, well, first of all,

we have 17 published studies.

So you can go on our website,

We have a page with science.

There’s links to the studies that we’ve done.

And then we also have the reviews page.

And even on our home page, you can see the videos.

So one of the things we recommend for everyone is to,

or especially for folks with MS or Parkinson’s

or other neurological conditions is to record certain tests,

for example, the tandem gait test

or kind of record your range of motion on video

before and after.

So you can measure the progress over time.

I mean, we have that literally thousands of cases.

It’s, yeah, it would be hard to move this one,

but people start walking, people start,

We had one patient who had Parkinson’s for many years.

He couldn’t talk.

And within six months, he started talking.

So there’s really a lot.

JANNINE: Wow, wow.

No, that’s right.

I remember now seeing that on your site

that there’s a lot of research.

So folks, yeah, head over to

So tao is T-A-O.

We’ll get to that here in the details in a little bit.

It’ll be in the podcast notes at

But yeah, I’m just thinking about all the different things.

And of course, as an acupuncturist, I geek out and go,

oh, how could I help add in little point tidbits

for patients?

Have you found, and it’s okay if not,

it’s just something I have in the back of my mind,

have you found in your data that you guys have collected

that your protocols that are more broad spectrum

compared to the doctor’s more specific ones.

kind of like how you’re describing the Italian docs who were coming up with more complex protocols.

Have you found there to be much difference between the two subsets of groups? Is there an

advantage to someone having a doc look over it, someone that’s been trained, or do you find that

the results really just don’t matter? 

DMITRI: You know, there is definitely benefit to having a doctor

work with us. And if you’re interested, we’d love to work with you as well. One of the really

nice things about this is it’s a– about Taopatch is it’s a therapy that you can kind of prescribe to your patient

once they leave your office, right? So you can still, you can do your protocols in the office

for an hour or however long you do it, and then put the patches on them afterwards, and then they

they can continue the therapy in a slightly different way 24/7.

JANNINE: Huge, I mean, that’s huge.

And one of the things you had mentioned this kinda all

kinda came out during COVID

and it’s one of the biggest struggles

that a lot of acupuncturists and doctors

and then that did body work therapy,

we couldn’t see our patients like we used to.

And so, this is a way to not only extend treatments

but to also kind of use our own technology

within our own bodies to help regain balance.

And yeah, possibly get a different type of result

if you’re seeing a doc versus on its own.

And of course, I don’t want folks to think

like it doesn’t work on its own.

I’m just geeking out here,

full disclosure me geeking out and thinking in my head

because of course my brain is going many different

directions as a whole.

– Now, one of the other really big things

that I noticed about the patch

and something that you guys even highlight

was talking about mood and mental health.

Can you speak a little bit to how the patch

is affecting mental health?

Some folks might be thinking like, okay, same concept

with the light.

What, you know, is there anything different there?

DMITRI: Absolutely.

So there are specific points that we use

for stress and anxiety, for instance, right?

And the testimonials that we’ve heard are amazing.

I think we have a couple on our website

where there’s just, let’s see.

I don’t wanna point any fingers.

One of the folks said, yeah, just my wife put them on

and she stopped yelling at me.

But you know, there, and again, this is where Chinese medicine, yeah, we own, we owe a debt of

gratitude to– to it. So, for example, the hard seven or spleen six are the points we use for stress and

anxiety. I think they are kind of fairly typical points, right? For those cases,

like Spleen 21, Perry Cardium 6 is another one. And so we literally just put the patches on those

points. One of the nice advantages is because the patch is larger than a needle, you don’t have

to be as precise in finding the point, right? So you can put it kind of around there and it was

still reach the same. Yep.

JANNINE: That’s, that’s cool. That’s cool. Yeah. I mean, that’s

definitely something to think about because, you know, I

have had patients ask me like, Hey, doc, can I just take the

needles home and do the acupuncture on myself in between

our visits? You know, and I smile, because there are in

certain cases, I have helped some folks out in that

department because of, you know, especially during the

COVID stuff. But at this point in time, I’m like, you know,

this is so much less dangerous on just applying a patch versus having someone

at home trying to figure out the the needles on their own and and not only

that just just the extension of being able to use the body’s own resources.

So I guess my biggest question before we wrap up our conversation today is

for the Taopatch do you do you recommend folks to consider using um to consider

kind of like eating as clean of a diet as possible, like kind of

lifestyle stuff to get the Taopatch, you know, to give it

it’s, it’s best shot at working for you.

DMITRI: Absolutely. So the number one thing we recommend is water. So

what we’ve seen, people who take the drink two to even better

two and a half liters of water per day, see drastically better

all of them and those who don’t. So, and I even noticed this myself, when you put the patches on,

you kind of feel a little bit more thirsty. And what what happens is your, because your nervous

system is firing in all cylinders, it requires more lubrication and conductivity, which is what

water provides. And so, water is absolutely critical for the patches to work. However, what I always

tell folks is, you know, this is not a magic bullet. You absolutely need to live a healthy lifestyle.

You’re not exercising, you’re not moving your body, if you’re eating terrible food,

no amount of therapy is going to help, right? So it’s part of your overall wellness arsenal,

and you know, the other question that people ask us is, okay, so I put them on,

and say I’ll wear them for the day.

And then once I take them off, do the results last?

What we’ve seen is in some cases, they do last

for a little bit of time.

So, for example, my partner, who I mentioned,

has had the wrist injury.

And so he put them on his wrist for about a month

and a half or a couple of months.

then took them off for three days and for the first three days the pain was still gone and then

on day three it started to come back and the reason this happens is yes there is some reprogramming

that happens. Your body does recalibrate and begin to function the way the way it’s naturally

meant, but if you go back to your life the way it was, again, living in the city with,

you know, I was just looking at my Wi-Fi. I have literally 15 different Wi-Fi networks around me.

This can’t be good, right? So, our daily life is kind of destabilizing us all the time, and so

there, it’s very, because of this, we kind of need to fight against these external influences

consistently, right? So absolutely, the short answer is you do need to drink a lot of water,

do need to eat healthy, and just try to live the healthiest life you can.

JANNINE: Make sense, make sense. And, you know, also good point there in terms of all of the EMFs and

different things we’re exposed to in any given, you know, day, it’s, it’s something we need to

be thinking about. And that’s what I like about this Taopatch, it’s not an, it’s not a technology

that requires Bluetooth or something, you know, or an app or something of that nature, you know,

and, and I like that, I like that more and more these days as, as how we’re transitioning into

things. I think the other thing you had mentioned that I’d love for you to kind of share with folks.

Now, you said they last two and a half years. If someone’s like going to use a hot tub,

they’re going to go swimming. They’re going to do certain things. When can you take them off and

put them back on? And after two and a half years, I mean, is it meant to be like continuous use

for two and a half years? Like, how does that work? 

DMITRI: Great question. So first of all, they are

waterproof and to place your body, you can use any band aid or any skin tape. We always include

specific tape that we found works best. But you can absolutely take them on and off. I definitely

recommend for hygien purposes to take them off from time to time and clean them and make sure you

you maintain hydro hygienes. But they do work for two and a half years. And what that means

is we’ve seen that for, two and a half years, the rate at which the patches convert your heat into

light stays about the same. After two and a half years, it starts to decrease. However, it doesn’t,

it’s not that they just stop working after two and a half years. It just gets a little bit weaker

signal over time. you can wear them 24/7 and lots of folks do, obviously with, again, taking them off

from time to time, at least to clean them. There are also different protocols that we recommend

using from time to time. For example, we have a liver cleanse protocol or a kidney detox protocol

And, for example, for sports, for athletes, we have some points for performance that you would

put them on during the game or training. And then there are certain points you would wear them

for recovery for the next day. So you can move them around and different points for different

things you’re trying to achieve. 

JANNINE: That’s important. Yeah, I was kind of wondering, like, are you

stuck with where they’re at? Can you move them around? Which is genius, you know, and makes sense,

right? Because we’re evolving people and our energy shifts from day to day sometimes even.

So nice. Nice. Good to know that you can shift it there too. Wow. And you know at the price point

that you guys are at compared to having an acupuncture visit every single day or getting your I call

your energy dialed in every single day. I mean, it’s pretty dang cost-effective if you ask. If you

ask me. So– 

DMITRI: I totally agree with you. And this is one of the points that we always get, not always,

but from a lot of folks, we get this pushback like, hey, this is their $300 for a set of three,

which is really all you need, and the point that we make in these cases is, number one,

this actually is really, really expensive, complicated technology to make. It took us a

really long time. Each patch really does cost a lot to produce because this, if you think about it,

the technology itself is pretty magical, especially it kind of helps thin and small it is. But then,

Yeah, if you’re if you kind of look at the call over two and a half years, if you

amortize it per day, it’s, you know, pennies per day.

JANNINE: Yeah. And with, you know, so many people telling me these days, like doc, you know,

trying to meditate is impossible, trying to get my balance right. I just don’t have time. I mean,

this is 24/7 balancing, which I, you know, I find it incredibly useful and and wow,

just mind blowing in terms of all the thoughts that I have in my head of how I could incorporate

it into my practice and get my folks long-term results. So that being said, let’s tell folks,

like let’s tell them the website, let’s give them how they can learn more about Tao Patch,

all your guys’ social media if you have some and things of that nature so that folks can really

interact with your brand and really understand what they’re getting into and how to find even

docs that are using Taopatch to if they’re interested in that department.

DMITRI: Sure thing. So the website is, T-A-O-Patch,

And on the website, you can find our social media. There’s our email, our phone number,

so you’re welcome to call us and talk to our team if you have any questions.

Unless you’re living in Europe at the moment, we don’t have a huge practitioner network, so this

is actually something we’re starting to build. And again, Jannine, we’d love to talk to you about

this as well. But we’re always here to support, to answer any questions, and then once you purchase

the patches again, we would like to think of ourselves as, you know, we’re always available. Our care team is,

I don’t want to say we’re a doctor or a practitioner, but we are always around. We’re always here to

help and make sure you get the most out of it. And if you’re, again, if you’re not seeing the results

that you’re looking for, you’re always welcome to return them and we’ll happily refund you.

JANNINE: That’s huge. That is huge. My goodness. So much good stuff. I’m really excited about this and

and I can’t wait for this podcast to come out too because I think these are definitely something

that I’ve been wondering how can you extend a energetic based treatment for folks when they

can’t always get into the office to see me especially like in the case of my practice being remote

a lot of time. So such cool stuff to meet you. Thank you so much for coming on and sharing

Taopatch with us. I look forward to hearing more and chatting with you more as I integrate

this into my practice. 

DMITRI: That sounds amazing. I would love that. 

JANNINE: Thank you. 

DMITRI: Thank you so much Jannine.

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