Ep 515: Investigating 7 Root Causes of Chronic Disease With Elwin Robinson

Curious about the underlying causes of chronic health issues but unsure if you’re ready for a deep dive with a functional medicine practitioner? Starting with your genetic makeup as a guide can be a valuable first step in connecting symptoms to root causes. In this episode, Dr. Jannine Krause interviews Elwin Robinson, founder of Genetic Insights, host of the Rejuvenate Podcast, and author of the upcoming book The Rejuvenate Blueprint. Elwin shares his unique approach to identifying the “7 Root Causes of All Chronic Disease” and the ways these principles can help you uncover and address the root causes affecting your health.

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• Watch The Rejuvenate Blueprint by Elwin Robinson on YouTube

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Podcast Transcript

5:24 – Elwin’s background

7:23 – Seven causes of chronic disease

25:47 – Lifestyle

27:12 – Infections

28:51 – Excessive presence of toxicity

31:03 – Placebo effect

40:15 – Excessive focus on detoxing

55:37 – Where to find Elwin online

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[Preview] If you have a deeply held belief that you will never be well,
or if you have a deeply held belief that you deserve to suffer,
or whatever it may be,
this can absolutely be a barrier and block you from being well.
And I discovered I liked toxicity because I saw in my genetic report
that my body did not detoxify lead well.
And I’d already done a hair test for heavy metals.
It wasn’t seeing any amounts of lead.
I don’t know, you’re in test home cells.
There wasn’t a sniff of them out of lead.
So, you know, in that case, most practitioners, right?
They wouldn’t think, well, let me also do a blood test.
They would just assume, you know, there’s not a heavy male problem.
But I did blood test and it was sky high.
So that kind of indicates that, well, my genetics was saying was 100% true.
My body had a problem with detoxifying it specifically and wasn’t excreting it.
That was really.
JANNINE: Hey, health junkies on this episode of the health fix podcast.
I’m interviewing Elwin Robinson.
If that name sounds familiar, that’s correct.
He was on before.
And in this podcast, we’re actually going to be talking about his rejuvenate
blueprint, where he talks about the seven root causes of all chronic disease.
And I have to agree with him that he’s got it pretty nailed down in terms of what
I’ve described before, when I’ve gone through why people have chronic illness.
Now, the cool part about this podcast, we’re going to go into placebo.
We’re going to talk about how toxins can manipulate your DNA.
We’re going to talk about the connection between nickel and H.
Pi lorry.
And we’re going to talk about how low calcium diets can contribute to lead
poison and lead toxicity.
Crazy, right?
Well, here’s the thing.
There are so many things right now that could be contributing to our
chronic illness or mystery illness that really understanding your DNA and then
pairing it with a micronutrient test to understand what’s happening in real
time is a game changer. So, Ellen is the founder of genetic insights. He has all kinds of information
on his website based on DNA testing. And you can take your DNA testing from other companies
and plug it in there. Such cool stuff. If you love geeking out on DNA, Ellen was on my podcast,
episode 493. If you did not catch it, go check it out. You can get that anywhere you get the
the health fix podcast or on my website if you just search under podcast episode 493.
Now Elwin has a ton of information.
I’m also on his podcast.
If you go to his YouTube website at Elwin Robinson, just YouTube and then search Elwin
Robinson, you’ll find him there.
I love DNA.
I love getting out on all the intricacies of our bodies and why everyone has their own
unique twist to health.
And so when you’re listening to this podcast, I want you to think about how unique we are
And while how or why these cookie cutter programs
aren’t working for folks,
it’s ’cause we need precision medicine
and especially when it’s boiling down
to chronic and mystery illness.
All right, let’s reintroduce you to Elwin Robinson.
[Intro] Welcome to The Health Fix Podcast
where health junkies get their weekly fix of tips,
tools and techniques to have limitless energy,
sharp minds and fit, physiques or life.
Elwin Robinson.
Welcome back to the Health Fix podcast.
ELWIN: Thank you, it’s really great to be back.
And thanks for coming on my podcast too recently.
That was really good.
ELWIN: Yeah, we had a great time talking about amino acids
to the point where I was like,
there’s like five more I didn’t tell you about
that I work on with, but we’ll get there someday.
We’ll get there someday.
We’ll get there someday.
Well, one of the big things that,
we had talked about in our previous podcast was DNA
and how you’re working with helping folks
interpret their DNA at genetic insights.
And in this case, I was just,
I was taken back by how detailed you are
about looking at the root causes of chronic disease
and how much you understand like the geeky stuff
like me getting into the amino acids
and getting into vitamins, minerals and details.
And so I wanted you to come back
because I’ve really wanted to talk about
the seven root causes of all chronic diseases.
you see it and you rejuvenate blueprints so that we can really give folks a sense of
there are things they can do step by step to start looking at these things.
And, you know, this is probably a very controversial statement, but I feel like a lot of people
want to do things on their own and salute that out a little bit on their own with a
little bit of guidance, but aren’t at the level where they want the very expensive functional
medicine docs.
This is kind of the in-between place to start.
And so anyway, this is where I’m helping folks
give the tools, right, to start opening up
their options for their health.
So here we are, here we are.
And with the rejuvenate Blueprint,
I mean, I think we’ll get to that of close folks
as to where you can find out on Elwin’s website
and how to get ahold of these things.
But first and foremost, let’s talk a little bit about DNA
as a root cause of chronic disease.
How did that play out in terms of,
folks, if you listen to our previous podcast,
you’ll hear the story, but how,
if we can do like a recap for them in a short version
of how that played out for you and why you got so excited
about DNA?
ELWIN: Yeah, I mean, the very short version is,
I had a health problem, it created agonizing pain,
made me lose a lot of other symptoms,
lose a lot of weight in a bad way.
I was kind of feeling imaciated,
and I was feeling cold all the time,
and full of anxiety and digestive problems,
and chronic pain, and all that kind of stuff.
And I tried everything, that’s a simple version.
And I really mean, it’s never everything, is it?
But I tried a lot, I listed it in the last episode,
and including functional medicine doctor, several.
And no one was able to help.
And then I got my genetics tested.
In fact, I’d already had them tested.
I’d done a 23andMe like eight years before.
And then I uploaded that data to this system
that was able to interpret that data.
And I was blown away at how accurate it was
and how helpful it was.
And it really did help me to work out the root causes
of what was going on with me.
So it indirectly led to me getting a diagnosis
from a doctor, which is always helpful.
But more importantly, I think was actually
led to the root causes.
And the one good thing I could say about those years and years,
the struggle of not being able to find anything,
and it wasn’t, I wasn’t new to health.
I’d been, you know, teaching about health since 2010.
And I’d kind of be into it my whole life
’cause my parents were into it and, you know,
my dad was a biochemist and there was supplements
and organic food throughout the house
and my dad did organic gardening and, you know,
it’s all like that kind of stuff is a little part
of my family, I guess, from my whole life.
But especially those few years, like four, five years
of suffering with that issue,
and really having, being a fortunate position
in the way of not having to work.
So I dedicate myself to full time detecting
what was going on.
And realizing that, okay, there really are,
and I’m so glad you’re inviting me on to talk
about this, Dr. Jannine,
and I’d love to get your feedback on it as well.
But as far as I can see, there really are only seven
through causes of chronic disease that exist.
Now, this is in the scientific sphere.
I know some people will talk about other stuff,
like I don’t know, energies, for instance,
which I am open to, but I kind of limit myself to that,
which can be definitely proven,
even if it doesn’t have to be mainstream.
And so, for me, genetics was the first step.
And in fact, working with a lot of people,
I really like to start with genetics.
I know often we’ll send them on to someone else, whether it’s a medical doctor, a function
of medicine doctor or a therapist or whatever it may be.
It could be a lot of different things.
A nutritionist, a diet, a tissue, a physiotherapist, whatever.
But I’d like to start with the genetics because that’s really the blueprint.
And so because these are the things that you can’t change about yourself.
Now, we talked about this last time, but just as a recap, you cannot change this genetic
blueprint that you’ve been given from the moment of birth, which is related to what we call
SNPs, which is the little mutations, little differences in your basic genetic code.
But of course, you can change your health because the SNPs only indicate,
well, certainly all the ones that we look at only indicate a tendency, not a certainty.
Sometimes the contribution that genetics make is very high, like 70 or 80% is down to genetics.
Sometimes it’s very low, like 5 or 10%, that’s usually the range that we work within and
maybe on average it’s about 40%. So for instance with heart disease, you know,
the number one or number two killer throughout most of the world, around 40% of your risk for
that, part of your vascular disease actually, that’s broadened beyond heart disease, is genetic,
you know? And so if you have that risk, if you have that tendency, that’s very important to know
that. And it’s also very important to know why, you know, what is it about you? Is it that you
have a high risk for insulin resistance? Or is it that you have a high risk for stress?
or is it that you have a higher risk for these certain types of plaque building up and you are
three walls, et cetera, et cetera. It helps you to narrow down what that is as well. So
that’s why whenever I work with people, I do want to look at their genetics first. And I encourage
many practitioners when I talk to them like yourself to also remember not to skip that step.
Now, I know you have some questions about genetics, but I think it will make more sense
if I talk about the other six because there are genetic factors related to the other six as well.
And I just want to say on the subject of root causes, like I’m so happy that it is in the conversation now to even look at the root causes of chronic diseases.
And when I say conversation, I mean like the mainstream conversation.
You know, I’m seeing a like mainstream news channel in the last few weeks.
It’s like no one’s ever talked about this before.
And I think it’s, you know, in the mainstream.
And I think it is fantastic that it’s part of the conversation.
The most of the conversation I see is like why has the rate of chronic diseases ballooned so much, especially in the last four decades.
since like the 1980s. And I think that is an excellent question. And generally, the theory I
see positive is that a lot of it is down to poisons or toxins in the environment. And I think
there is a lot of accuracy to that. And I think it is definitely worth investigating. I’m very
glad that some people do want to investigate it, who maybe actually have the power to change things.
All of that is fantastic. But I do think that it’s not only that, it’s not only toxins, right?
And so, you know, a lot of people ask me, for instance,
with weight loss, that’s a very popular topic.
And in terms of genetics, and they say, you know,
if I’m overweight or if I want to lose weight,
whatever, is it in my genes that I’m overweight?
And I say, well, yes and no.
So, no, in the sense that 100 years ago,
people on average were consuming just as much
or more calories than us, including plenty of sugar
and plenty of saturated fat.
and yet obesity was less than a tenth for what it is now.
So obviously it can’t be just genetics
because our genes have not mutated so significantly
in the last 100 years.
However, it is true that not everyone becomes obese
no matter how poisoned they are
or whatever other factors are going on.
Some people will develop very different problems.
And so whether it develops for you as obesity
or as an autoimmune disease or as a tendency towards
chronic infections or as, you know,
whatever the myriad other problems it could be,
that’s more where genetics comes in.
So genetics does not guarantee you’ll have any disease
or any problem or any issue, but it says,
if you start to develop diseases, the problems are issues,
which ones are more likely,
are you more likely to develop first?
For one person, it’s one thing,
for one person, it’s something completely different.
And so that can be very, very helpful information.
So yeah, let me go for the six steps.
I’ll try and do it as quickly as possible.
So the first step that I look at
after having a basic liquid genetics is nutrition.
And so I often refer to that as building blocks
rather than nutrition.
Because I’m basically looking at what are you,
like what are you made out of, right?
We’re made out of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen,
drinking on the fourth one, sorry.
I won’t, oxygen, hydrogen,
the other one anyway.
You’re also stuck, Greg.
(laughs)
JANNINE: Yeah, I’m blank, I’m blank.
ELWIN: And then– JANNINE: Nitrogen!
ELWIN: Thank you, nitrogen, of course, poison.
(laughs)
Thank you.
JANNINE: We’re warming up.  ELWIN: And then a bunch
of other ones to a lesser degree, yeah.
Iron and calcium and magnesium
and all this other stuff, right?
And so a problem which it’s,
and including that, if we go a little bit beyond elements,
would be like vitamins and amino acids,
which you and I did the whole episode out of.
And it’s actually surprising, I am surprised,
and at the end of our podcast, Dr. Jun,
you might have seen, I appended at the end
a testimonial video that someone volunteered to do
who was one of my clients,
because their life was transformed
after 40 years of anxiety, spent hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to cure it.
Nothing worked and then all they did is start taking an amino acid and it was like, I think
they said 85% better within a few weeks.
Now that results not typical and that’s certainly not guaranteed for anyone else.
But the point is to say, if you’re lacking a certain building block, it could be as simple
as a vitamin, a mineral, a amino acid, a type of fat or something else, you know, sometimes
of co-ends on something like that, if you’re really lacking that building block, getting
you the building blocks that you need can have an absolutely huge transformative effect
in your health.
And it absolutely can be a root cause.
It’s not commonly a root cause, maybe that it will reverse a chronic disease, like it
used to be, like a hundred years ago where people had glaters and berry berry and scurvy
and all these kinds of things, maybe 150 years ago.
But it’s still, that’s kind of debatable and it’s still contentious as to how much like,
when people have all these serious issues, I’ve seen people,
you know, all kinds of things,
and so the serious medical issues
with just vitamin B12, just iron, just magnesium,
just vitamin K2, just amino acids like glycine.
I know you’ve had, you know, similar experiences.
So it can be as simple as a building block.
And so that’s often, you know, I focus on that first,
and how do I know what they need?
Well, I look at their genetics first,
And then if it’s something that is innocuous and harmless to take like vitamin B12, I say,
just go for it. And if it’s something that you don’t necessarily want to take because you might
have, you know, you don’t want to overdose in it like iron, then I recommend that they test and
see and make sure to check to see if they actually need it. And so that absolutely can be a
root cause of chronic disease. And it’s often a contributor and it often works with the others.
We’ve already mentioned toxicity. So toxicity is like number three on my list.
And certain toxins will deplete certain nutrients, right? Sometimes they’re radically elevated,
right? So addressing the toxin may be kind of more root-root cause in that case, but you still
also have to address the deficiency of the building block, otherwise you still, the person still
won’t get better, right? Because it is still another root cause. It is something that has to be addressed.
So, toxins are obviously huge. There’s many, many, many types. The thing that I discovered
for me without getting, again, going to the whole story is that I had very elevated lead
toxicity. It was over 10 times what should be the maximum, you know, reference rate for an adult.
And, you know, when I first tested it, and that’s the kind of thing that can,
some, you know, people’s response to different heavy metals vary, but it can absolutely
you grew in your health and it did to me. And there’s heavy metals, microtoxins, a lot of people
talk about that in the community. And then there are things that perhaps we don’t think of as even
being a problem, which can become a problem. Like I mentioned, mainstream news talking about
chronic diseases for the first time, I saw a thing about seed oils and how damaging they are,
especially in excess. When 100 years ago, I think our diet was less than 1% seed oils and now it’s
over 30%. And it’s not to say that they are innately, innately bad, probably 1% of the diet
is probably fine. But in excess, a lot of things become toxins. I just mentioned,
I started with heavy metals and microtoxins, because I think there are some of the only things
that are innately toxic at any dose. I’m sure there are other things as well, but they’re commonly
known. But there are many, many other things that are only toxic in excess, but so many of us have
an excess of them, that they become super important, like Xenoestrogens and stuff like that being
another thing in that category that’s really big. And there’s loads of other things,
you know, Atrazine and PCBs. But this goes on and on. We could do a full episode now. But,
you know, that’s a root cause, right? And it’s a root cause in the sense of if you don’t address
it, you will never be optimized. You know, that’s a definite and you will probably never
be well if you don’t address those root cause if it’s already got to the point where it’s
caused and diseases in you. The next one after that and this is, it’s kind of fall from
my list but it’s sometimes what I start on with people because of how quickly it makes
them feel better and feeling better is, you know, very important and it gives you the
energy and the motivation to do all the other stuff sometimes. And it’s hormones, neurotransmitters
and peptides and the balance of those. And this is where I would refer back to genetics again.
I kind of skipped this for toxins. So, let me just do it for a second. So,
I discovered I like toxicity because I saw in my genetic report that my body did not detoxify
lead well. And I’d already done a hair test for heavy metals. Wasn’t seeing any amount of
lead. I don’t know, urine test heavy metals. There wasn’t a significant amount of lead. So,
you know, in that case, most practitioners, right, they wouldn’t think, well, let me also do a blood
test. They would just assume, you know, there’s not a heavy male problem, but I did a blood test,
and it was sky high. So that kind of indicates that, well, my genetics was saying was 100% true.
My body had a problem with detoxifying it specifically and wasn’t excreting it. That was really the
problem. And so, you know, we have reports for that. We have reports for, you know, the
different heavy metals, micro toxins. We have reports as well about other things that your
body might have an issue with, like histamine and salicylates and oxalates and all of that
kind of stuff, things in food so that your body might treat as a poison. And I suppose
in the toxin category, just before I move on, I’d also put in allergies and intolerances,
you know, even if something is not at all an APToxic,
if your body perceives it as a toxin,
then it kind of has a similar effect as a toxin.
And again, you know, that can be a root cause.
Now, there’s still the question of why is your body,
why is your immune system reacting to things
that are perfectly innocuous as if they’re poisons,
and there is a root cause to that in turn.
But still, if it’s doing that,
you’ve got to cut that stuff out at least temporarily
in order to be well in my experience.
And so I’d still put it in that rude course, Matthew Reed.
Yeah, so back to hormones and neurotransmitters.
So again, I’ll give myself an example.
For me, I saw that I had a genetic tendency
for elevated cortisol and a genetic tendency
for reduced thyroid hormones.
And so when that’s the case,
you have someone, oh, energetic tendency for low levels
of DHT, which maybe is a little bit too.
But basically all those indicators
a tendency towards low levels of cellular energy,
an tendency to elevated stress,
and also a lack of ability to really calm yourself,
like the opposite of stress, the gabber agonists.
And so this, when the person is in chronic stress,
I don’t think this is gonna be a revelation
to any of your listeners.
It’s very well, it’s impossible to be healthy and to heal
When a person is in consistently high levels of stress, right?
Short-term stress, few hours, maybe a couple of days,
that most can be healing, can be beneficial in certain contexts.
But once it’s weeks, months, years, decades,
it’s definitely not going to be good for you.
And so, again, I like to start with that often.
And again, I wouldn’t take any action based on only the genetics,
but it helps to narrow down what to test for,
especially when people have low money.
are just existing so affordable compared to any other kind of testing, you know, the amount
of information versus dollar is ridiculously large amount of information. And so it can
help you narrow it down. Like for instance, tell me if I told this story last time, but
I have a business partner who really isn’t into any of this kind of stuff. He’s all business,
doesn’t want to go to a doctor, got a typical man in that sense, doesn’t want to do anything
about his health. But he was really struggling. He’s like, I can’t even get up there for like
an hour and this is a very unusual thing.
He’s suddenly not a person like the motivation.
He’s like, maybe I’m depressed.
And I’m telling this story by the way.
He told it on his podcast.
So I’m allowed to spare.
And, uh, and I was like, yeah, could be, but, you know, I listen to stuff.
And then I said, you know what, you want to be part of this genetic
insights business.
You got to actually do your genetic insights.
That’s what I was involved.
I said, you just got to spit into your chewies.
All right.
Then he wouldn’t do that.
So he did that, got his results back.
And sure enough, he was in high risk category for hypothyroidism.
And sometimes we can give a an actual percentage risk score.
We don’t always do that, but sometimes we can.
And that one we do and he was like 99% are.
So so I was like, OK, this is like evidence that my, what’s the word, suspicion.
Again, not proven, but there’s enough evidence now to make it worth you going
the effort of going to the doctor, paying for that, paying for the blood tests, which he then did,
and sure enough it came back that he had hyperferoid fibrodesin and he had Hashimoto’s,
which as you know, if that’s not addressed, it’s only going to get worse and worse and it’s a real
problem. And so, you know, that’s an example of someone who’s very reluctant. But even if you
listen to this, you know, I’m not reluctant. Okay, but if you were to test for, let’s say you have
something as diffuse as like fatigue, you know, the amount of things that you could test for that
might be the cause could run you what? Over $10,000, right? So easily. Yeah. Maybe over $100,000.
So to just help to narrow it down, right? Okay. So it could be the fire rate, it could be this
heavy mail, it could be this, you know, like, and then, okay, let’s start with testing these
things. The most obvious things that it could be is like really, really helpful. And so as I said,
I’d like to start with hormones and neurotransmitters because if someone has a tendency for low dopamine,
or if they have a tendency for like fire function or if they have a tendency for whatever, then
that’s like super super important to address if we’re looking to help people feel better.
Now feeling better, that brings me to the next one, which is lifestyle changes.
And a lot of people don’t like that I make this number five because like, that’s the
easiest thing you can do.
That’s the first thing you should be doing, right?
But you and I both know in practicalities, making changes to the lifestyle is quite difficult
for a lot of people.
So the one benefit about lifestyle change is that it’s free.
So if you’re poor, that’s great.
It probably should be the first step in that case.
But for everyone else, everyone with a job or whatever, the problem is making lifestyle
changes, you’ve got to overcome the inertia, you’ve got to overcome the neuronal pathways
that make behaving in a certain way kind of feel right and behaving in any unusual different
way feel wrong.
And you’ve got to overcome any practical considerations.
You know, someone tells you the first thing, the money should go out and get sunlight.
Okay.
What if you live in the 40th floor of an apartment building, you know, like all of that kind
of stuff you’ve got to deal with.
And you’ve got to also accept reality.
So I’ll give you an example.
one agrees that exercise is beneficial pretty much, right? They may argue about what type
and this and that, but pretty much everyone agrees that not being stationary is beneficial.
And, you know, I often talk to people, especially trainers, who are like,
“Oh God, you know, this person, they won’t even do this and they’re so lazy.” And I’m like,
“They’re not lazy. I don’t believe it’s laziness.” I think if you saw someone and you were like,
“Oh, they just don’t want to eat. You don’t know they’re too lazy to eat.” Like, you wouldn’t do that.
And to me, moving is as intrinsic as eating.
And if someone doesn’t want to eat,
we would say there must be something wrong with them.
Maybe, you know, they’re severely depressed,
they’ve got a digestive problem,
maybe people are you and me,
and we’re like, how’s their ghrelian levels
or they’re leptin?
JANNINE: Right. ELWIN: All that kind of stuff.
JANNINE: Right.
ELWIN: But there’s something wrong, right?
We wouldn’t say you’re too lazy to eat.
And yet movement is something that if you have any degree
of innate health and vitality,
you enjoy doing, you want to do it,
You don’t have to make yourself do it.
You don’t need discipline.
You need willpower.
And yet we call people lazy if they don’t exercise,
if they don’t move, which makes no sense to me.
So with a lot of the lifestyle stuff,
fresh air is good for you, okay?
But what if you live in a city?
Sunlight is good for you, okay?
But is it always, right?
You and I know that some people are photosensitive,
there’s certain specific situations
where sunlight actually makes people feel worse
for various reasons.
So there’s nothing pretty much in the lifestyle category.
Meditation is universally considered to be good for you,
if at least a little bit, but then for people
who have high levels of cortisol
and low levels of gabberics tortures
to try and sit there for 10 minutes
and quiet your mind, like it just makes you feel worse
and worse and worse.
So there’s none of that lifestyle advice
that is gonna be universally beneficial
and easy to implement for people.
And though that’s why I put the other stuff I just said first,
including balancing the hormones and the neurotransmitters,
because once that’s done, it’s a lot easier
to then make those lifestyle changes,
which are extremely important and beneficial, obviously.
Next after that, I have infections,
specifically chronic infections.
I would say acute infections are more on the category
of requiring emergency medical treatment.
That’s not to do chronic disease.
Acute infections can cause chronic diseases,
but they kind of have caused one,
but they don’t be treating if they were acute
because you either was older or more, you’re dead.
So if we’re talking about years later, right?
So we’re really talking more about chronic.
And so with chronic infections,
the reason I put it in this place,
now again, this kind of goes a bit
against the functional medicine doctors’ figure, right?
‘Cause functional medicine doctors like to deal with that
first, especially in the context of the gut.
If it works, it works.
you can get a person and just give them a breed or a Faxxamirn or whatever probiotics
and they feel better than great. That’s good. But I think a lot of the time it doesn’t work
out that way. It’s actually quite difficult and quite tricky. And so one of the things
that I learned years ago is that a few years ago, I wish I had learned it before, I did,
is you have to get the adrenals and the thyroid in a reasonable place.
First of all, before you do a lot of detoxification, and second of all, before you try and tackle
chronic infections. Otherwise, you may be able to get rid of them, but they will just come back
again. That’s why I like to put it six. I could have put it a fifth, but I don’t want to push
lifestyle too far down the line. Also, as we know, I think a lot of the time, chronic infections are
actually based on the hormonal issues. The other thing they’re often based on is toxicity.
It’s a excessive presence of toxicity that is probably undermining the immune system to
the degree that it’s not able to handle things in a lot of cases.
And the specific types of toxins that will massively increase your chance of specific
types of infections like, you know, nickel, for instance, not many people talk about that
one, but nickel and H.Pylori, which, you know, leads to stomach ulcers and all the rest of
it.
And if you, again, you could do a treatment for a high pylori, and it may be effective,
and it may be effective for years, but if you’ve still got that nucal type of CZD, it’ll
probably come back sooner or later when you’re weak and tired and stressed and worn down
or whatever, right?
So, that’s why I put dealing with those toxicity as primary.
And with all these things, including the chronic infections, we have genetic reports on some
the most popular ones, common ones I should say, as to whether you have an increased risk
for them. Some people do have an increased risk for different infections.
And then the last one, and again, people who really believe in this last one don’t like
that I put it last because they’re like, this should be first though, and this is the most
important. And it’s, I call this like emotions or psychology. And that’s because if you have
a deeply held belief that you will never be well, or if you have a deeply held belief
that you deserve to suffer, or whatever it may be, this can absolutely be a barrier
and block you from being well.
And there is this thing called the placebo effect.
I’ve seen some mainstream medical people try and undermine that recently.
I don’t know if you’ve seen that, Dr. Junine.
But like my reply to this is always, but wait a minute, you guys say that all the supplements
and everything we recommend are pseudoscience because they are not backed by double blind
placebo controlled trials. So that means that it’s essential to do double blind trials in
order to prove the effectiveness of something. Why do we have to do double blind trials?
We have to do them because of the incredible power of the placebo effects, right? It has
to, you can’t have it both ways. So the placebo effect in a nutshell is if I truly believe,
not just if I tell myself, but if I truly believe that something is going to heal me,
then it will, at least for a while temporarily.
From my own research on the police, it kind of has a shelf life, like a few months in some
cases, like it doesn’t always last forever.
But certainly for a while, it can completely reverse even terminal diseases and all kinds
of stuff if you really, really believe it.
But there is also something called the no-cebo effect, which is the exact opposite, which
is if you truly believe that something will not work, then it won’t, even though it should.
And there’s all kinds of stories about this.
I think Dr. Joe Dispenza did a good one.
Just on the – I think he did a whole book just on the placebo effect called You Are
the placebo.
And the concept of that – and it’s not a new concept, but I think the way he described
it in quite a scientific way was fairly unusual – is that you can maybe take control
of you can kind of perceive yourself, which is very difficult because the whole point
of the placebo effect you’ve got to really believe it. And so it’s very hard to kind
of convince yourself of something that you know is not true, but it’s potentially possible
and that’s kind of what your system is based on. You can kind of convince yourself you’re
healthy and for some people it works. But the point is that your beliefs and your feelings
are very powerful. And I’m also a big fan of Joe Dispenza, a big fan of
Alexander Lowen, who creates an assistant called bioinogenetics.
And he was, I think he lived to 90 something.
He was certainly pretty healthy.
And he just book after book after book.
He just goes through, talking about his personal experience and the other all anecdotes, but
just the correlation between someone’s emotions, their traumas, their kind of habitual emotional
fixations.
The shape of their body, that’s what’s interesting.
It’s not all psychological.
literally say, you know, all their chest is kind of, you know, paved in or the shoulders
are raised or they kind of glutes are tucked in or they’ve got a twist here or all of this
kind of stuff. And to me, this makes perfect sense. So in order to not feel feelings, what
we actually have to do is we have to hold like a certain posture in our body. And so if you’re
angry, a lot of people are clenching their fists, clenching their jaw, you know, if you’re
afraid a lot of people kind of like hiding to some degree, right, with their body. If
you’re sad, a lot of people try and, you know, stop themselves crying and they’re kind of
stiff and you kind of lungs do that. And so a lot of people kind of learned to not show
feelings. Maybe that was necessary because to show the feeling would have made whatever
happened worse. But then it becomes like a habitual response. And so there’s this chronic
patterns of tension in the muscleature and the fascia and all the other elements of the body.
When it makes sense to me scientifically, first of all, the placebo phase is scientific as it
was just established. Second of all, scientifically, it makes sense. If you have chronic patterns of
tension in a certain area of your body, it will reduce the blood flow going in and out of that
area. It will reduce the lymph flow going in in that area. You don’t have to believe in
chi or any other stuff, these are just the scientific facts.
And so if you have a lack of blood flow and lymph flow for a day, you may well not notice,
but what happens if it goes on for weeks, months, years, and in fact decades, it can
lead to serious problems.
If there’s a lack of blood flow, it can lead to, for instance, build up of acidity, which
can cause pain as one example, right?
But the lack of blood flow long term can mean that, for instance, if it’s like a blood
flow to an endocrine gland, like to your thyroid gland, or to your fibres, or to your
pancreas, or whatever it might be, then it’s not going to function as well over time and
all the rest of it.
So I think there’s two obvious ways there that our emotions, our belief systems, our
psychology, profoundly impact our health.
And as I say, people who believe in that often believe that that’s all they have to focus
like, well, I’ve got to do is visualize or meditate or affirm or, you know, whatever
they’re into. And I can heal myself. And sometimes they’re right. Sometimes that is
all it takes. The reason I put it as number seven, Dr. Jannine is not because I don’t
believe it, but because I think if you’re trying to use purely the power of your mind
or your will or your belief or whatever you want to call it to heal a very physical problem,
it is still possible, but it’s difficult, which is why a lot of those people, you know, do
it for a long time before it works or they do it a long time they give up.
So it’s better to also address the physical problems.
Second of all, you know, well, it’s changing your lifestyle habits.
It’s quite difficult.
A lot of people have a lot of resistance doing that.
Well changing your habits of how you think and feel and what you believe is very difficult.
And a lot of people, you know, that’s kind of their last resort.
It’s something, you know, if you say, oh, I’ve got a headache or I’ve got a, you know,
ever diagnosis. But I would say, oh, well, the first thing you need to do is, you know,
meditate on feeling well two hours a day. A lot of people are not going to be open to
that as a strategy. So it tends to be more a last resort, but I would encourage people
to, you know, consider it before the last resort, which is why I make it part of my
system. But yeah, so that’s it in a nutshell, Dr. Jannine. That’s the seven factors that
I believe that’s why I called my book, “Reducing Lake Blueprint,” was of the seven root causes
of all chronic disease.
And I’m happy to be told if you think I’m missing anything, that’s one of the reasons
why I’m doing a little bit of a tour as well.
And, you know, please, I’ll make it eight pauses if I’m wrong.
But I believe that’s it.
JANNINE: I think you got it pretty well nailed down.
I do because really, like, absolutely agree with you on putting the mental side of things
last because it is hard when someone comes in, they don’t feel good.
The last thing they want to hear is like, we’re going to meditate.
Like no, it’s like, let’s figure out what’s going on.
And then we can get to that state.
Cause yeah, I believe in it.
It’s incredibly helpful part of the whole picture, but of course, being the geek
that I’m I’m going to dive in and feel like, like figure out what’s going on.
Because at the same time, you know, I will say with, with the psychological aspect of
things. It’s if you don’t know what you’re dealing with, it’s very hard to focus
your mind somewhere. If you don’t know what the problem is.
ELWIN: Also true. Absolutely. Yeah. It’s a great point.
JANNINE: Yeah. So that’s why I kind of go into that too. But but no, I think all seven
are are solid points. I I don’t, you know, a lot of folks would say, you know,
what about the gut? Where would you put the gut? Because a lot of people will
prior to just the gut, right?
ELWIN: Well, what about the gut?
JANNINE: Right.
ELWIN: If it’s– if the root gut problem is a chronic infection,
then that’s in number six, right?
If it’s like a peristalsis, or what’s causing that?
If it’s like a stomach acid or a bioflail,
well, it’s causing that, right?
It’s ultimately down to the same thing.
Is it nutritional deficiency?
Is it toxic?
It’s a chronic infection?
That’s what I mean about like root, root causes.
And you could say, I’m just being arbitrary.
Like you could break it.
But what’s the root cause of a nutritional deficiency?
Well, sometimes it’s something else.
But sometimes it’s just because you haven’t had the nutrient,
either you haven’t had it in your diet,
or you have an increased need because of genetics,
or you have increased use for whatever reason, right?
Like, you know, they say magnesium, if you have a lot of stress,
if you have a lot of activity, even if it’s positive stress,
you’re going to use up more magnesium.
So then, you know, so sometimes I guess it could be a little bit
So, killer as to what isn’t a root cause,
but what I found is that each of those seven,
like they can be the root cause.
And then other times they’re merely contributing factors,
if that makes sense.
JANNINE: Yeah, I once created a YouTube video of me talking
with the screen behind me of all the different spots
and how they’re all connected in.
‘Cause yeah, I mean, I think just to help people
to understand ’cause we talk a lot about gut health
and things of that nature,
but if you’re not absorbing, you’re not digesting,
there’s an infection all part of this picture here.
You’re kind of going at more of the minutia,
the more detailed things versus systems.
So it makes sense to me and I, yeah,
chemicals, toxins, I’m glad we’re getting some press.
Yeah, I’m glad we’re getting some press there.
Because I feel like, you know, for a lot of time,
and you probably felt like this too,
it’s just like we just keep saying it,
just keeps saying like hello, hello, wake up, hello.
(laughing)
Something going on here, people,
especially since the 80s, you look back at the data.
So, absolutely.
ELWIN: However, I do agree, however I will say,
in the alternative health community,
so more our community,
I think there might be an excessive focus on detox.
I quite often have people going in,
they’ve done so many different cleanses,
fasting, supplements, herbs, all kinds of things.
And I’m like, okay, but like you’re obviously like completely
adrenally overcharged.
I mean, that’s really, really common.
In fact, fasting and stuff makes that worse, not better.
Or like you’re really, you know,
nutrition is deficient, which again, fasting makes that worse,
not better.
And so I do think, I think more for the average mainstream
person who has no, would not know what we’re talking about
at all in this conversation, toxicity is probably maybe like,
you know, close to number one, most important factor.
But ironically, I think a lot of people in our community,
it’s not necessarily like they often jump to
assuming that it is the most important factor.
It’s the same thing, you know, like there’s such a,
what’s the word,
there’s almost disappointment that when you go
to a mainstream doctor, they usually have no input on diet.
And if you say, could this disease be caused by diet,
they always say no.
So that like people like, it just feels intuitively wrong.
And so in the what I call mainstream alternative health world,
which is generally the most popular kind of health
goose experts, whatever you want to call them,
they often put out super best-selling books
that are all like this diet will fix everything.
And it’s so compelling to people
because they just have the opposite,
like diet makes no impact,
they’re like, that can’t be true.
And then like, diet makes all the impact.
All you gotta do is eat this diet
and everything will go away
and it’s like a really compelling message.
And obviously sometimes it’s true
because it’s true if you clean up the diet and eat the right one for you, you may resolve
your nutritional deficiencies. So that’s one of my root causes. You might resolve the toxicity
issues. That’s another one of my root causes may even resolve chronic infection. You know,
like, so it’s, I can see why sometimes it’s true that like this diet will cure everything,
but of course, many times it’s not. And then I feel like sometimes those people are acting very
ethical ways, like, or maybe, maybe not then, but like their followers or people moderating
their groups or whatever. And they’ll say to you, it’s not the diets because you’re not doing it right.
Like, I’ve been part of those communities, like a war-veeing community. Oh, you’ve only been 99%
war-veeing, and that’s why you’re still a war. You’ve got to be 100%, you know, or
see something in the carnival community. Well, you know, what you’re still having,
honey or you’re throwing potatoes? Well, that’s why, right? You’ve got to be 100% carnival. So,
and I think all that stuff is, you know, really unfortunate and unhelpful. It’s like a reaction
to the mainstream thing. And so I think what people like you and I do is super super important.
It probably, I mean, I hope I’m wrong, but it might never be as popular because it’s not as
simplistic, but it is actually truth, right, which is, you know, there’s often multifaceted causes
and everyone’s different and it’s so important to find out what it is for you. And so, you know,
I suspect people would do what you do.
And because unfortunately there’s even a lot of practitioners out there,
if you go to them and they’ll just try and fit you into their system, right?
Right.
And then like everyone basically gets the same advice or slightly from versions of the same
advice and it’s so unhelpful.
It’s just a shame.
JANNINE: That is a problem.
I do agree with you that that’s a problem in the industry because yes, everyone’s got
their proprietary blue, you know, like not to, I’m not knocking your blueprint because
this is a real blueprint versus a proprietary method.
Let’s go that way because of how, you know, they’ve got a lot of success with this one
way of doing things and they got to keep everyone does that one way.
And you know, this is very rampant in the, the hormone space in particular.
And it’s like, ooh, there are so many genetic components to hormones and why one person
tolerate some of the other one doesn’t or, you know, the whole process.
And so I’m kind of cringing his mainstream now.
We’ve, we’ve uncovered that all the myths of the, the, you know, myths of,
but of bioidentical hormones not causing cancer, but we’re also still
giving pharmaceutical medications that have toxins in them that we don’t know
if someone can even break down one, the toxins to how they metabolize or
or translate, you know, like any of the details of the hormones.
And so it’s, you know, it’s one of those things I do get on a soapbox.
So I’m going to jump myself off of this one here.
But yeah, the proprietary, the proprietary method.
Um, I’m not into it.
I’m into precision, you know, and detailed per person type of treatment.
And that’s, I won’t do a cookie cutter.
Everybody gets the same thing because not everybody’s.
The same as we know.
ELWIN: Yeah.
JANNINE: So yeah.
ELWIN: And it’s much harder to do it that way.
You know?
JANNINE: It is.
It is, it’s hard to create a business model
when you don’t have your, you know, this is my method.
You know, and this is the way to do it.
ELWIN: That’s why I’m trying.
I’m calling it a blueprint
and I’ve also got a book for a company called a diet.
But the, you know, one of the first things in there is like,
there is literally no food that’s right for everyone.
So it’s like, it’s not, but I’m using the name diet,
but then I’m teaching people
how to actually work out what’s right for them.
You know, that’s kind of the idea.
JANNINE: Well, you know, we have to do the marketing, right?
We have to do marketing one way or the other.
And so folks now, you know, the whole thing is,
some what they want, give them what they need.
And ultimately, I’ve met fully,
like I’m giving you what you need
and we’re gonna figure out what you need.
I’m not gonna give you it.
We’re gonna figure it out as more how it is.
But it makes sense.
Now, one of the big questions that I was getting
from my audience, Ellen, about the genetics is how does the membership work and what happens
and how can they glean information from the membership?
So you were saying you might be able to show us a little bit.
So those of you who are listening, we’re going to try to help you visualize what’s going
on.
This is why we want folks to look at video, go over to YouTube where you can go to Rumble
and you can see what we’re showing here because Ellen’s going to give us a run through of
what you can get from the membership when you work with genetic insights there. So he is
getting over there right now for us so you can see. ELWIN: This is basically what you get. This is my
results. I’m totally happy to share them. And so the default, you can see a little thing here
that says, “saw by risk,” Dr. Jannine. So that’s kind of put as a default on. But what it does
mean is when you first look at it, you’re like, “Oh my God, I’ve got all these high risk things.” So
You can also turn that off and then it’s just kind of present in health, medical order.
But so I have all access membership, which is where you have access to everything.
It’s over 500 reports. I think it might even be 600 now. It’s a lot. So it’s a lot of information.
So what I recommend to people is to really look at it through the categories. I think the categories
are really crucial. Now, what would I start with? It really depends on what the person’s interested.
Obviously, it’s heart health or whatever. But let’s say that someone comes to me. They have no
issues whatsoever, they’re just purely interested in optimization, then I might go for it in
kind of the order that we just talked about. So the first one I might look at is this one,
it might take a second to load, that’s pretty quick to load, nutrient leads, right? And so
we can see with myself here that there are certain nutrients which I have an increased need for.
And so calcium is an interesting one because that’s one that’s been
much maligned in, I’d say, our kind of sphere for a while, like calcium supplements are not good,
magnesium is what you really need, all of this kind of stuff. But some people do need more calcium.
This is true. You know, I don’t actually take calcium. I take calcium glue crate, which I guess
contains calcium, but I don’t take specific calcium supplements. But what I realized is
I was having, I think the recommended daily amount for calcium is like 200 milligrams,
Sorry, a thousand milligrams a day for men.
I’ve been lost for years because I wasn’t eating dairy or anything else pretty high.
I was having 200 milligrams a day.
And funnily enough, a low calcium diet is a risk factor for lead toxicity
because the less calcium you have in the diet, the more lead your body absorbs.
So this is something super helpful for me to know and to address.
Because it’s not very easy to test for calcium levels, as we know,
like a neutrophil, whatever, is not going to tell you that, right?
I mean, lysine is one that we’ve talked about, Dr. Janine.
Last time I think that I have increased need for lysine, I confirmed that in a neutrophile
test and it said that I had increased need.
I think I mentioned last time it took me two years of high protein diet and additional
lysine supplementation before it was finally showed as being sufficient.
I think two and a half years actually, it took up.
Anyway, very, very long time.
I was having a lot of fingers having five grams a day of lysine on its own and it still took that long.
And actually I still take it because I’m like, well, obviously need more of it than the average person.
So that’s like really helpful information to know.
So, you know, vitamin E, vitamin K, very important. That’s a very, you know,
it’s essential anti-agering nutrient. I’d say vitamin K because of its role in stopping tissue
calcification. At low levels of isoleucine again, that one was confirmed by a neutravel.
And I’d always been underweight my whole life. I think I discussed that last time,
kind of low muscle mass. And when I reversed that one, that one did kind of get reversed quite
quickly. There’s the first time I started to put a muscle. I’m still not big and muscular,
but I went from being underweight to normal, which, and I think the isoleucine was a part of that,
because if you’re lower than any of the branch training mean mass, you can have an issue with that.
Now, it’s not always accurate. So in this case, high oxalate sensitivity. To be honest,
I don’t actually eat anything oxalates, but it’s not for this reason. I’ve tested this
in a new drivel, doesn’t seem to be any issues with oxalate. So just because you have a high
risk or something doesn’t necessarily mean that you have it, it’s just a risk. So that’s always
important to bear in mind. It’s always good to do further testing. You don’t have to do
lab testing for oxalate sensitivity. You can just try removing it from your diet for a few weeks.
if you feel better and great, if it makes up a difference, then never mind, you know,
you can carry on having oxalates after all. Now, I include stuff in there that,
you know, may not be obvious, like I include sleep quality, I think I have stress in there as
well, because I think these are like essential factors when it comes to detoxification. So,
for instance, if someone really has issued a sleeping, that can be a root cause, that’s the
and number five life-style causes, that can be root cause as to why a person has problems
with toxicity. If they’re only sleeping four to five hours a night, everything else being
equal, they could still have an excess toxicity problem, even if they don’t have any genes that
mean they have an issue of toxic, it’s just they’re not sleeping enough. Either hormones or emotional
wellbeing are quite often, I rarely get requests for emotional wellbeing when I have clients,
but I often look at it anyway, because I think if I can help a person feel better,
That’s the step seven thing. Then, you know, that can make a huge difference to quality of life,
and they definitely won’t feel bad that they’ve come to see me. So yeah, you can see what I was
talking about there, testing for high levels of cortisol. This is, I know that everyone these days
kind of has high cortisol, to some degree compared to maybe what they should do or a lot of people.
But I only see this in about 10% of people. It’s not super common to have it actually in your genetics,
but if you do have it, it, you know, obviously has an impact, as everything does.
TensorFlow levels of T3 like I talked about, TensorFlow levels of DHT, like I talked about.
So again, all super helpful information. None of them necessarily things that you would
take action on without doing further testing as we’ve discussed. Now, I’m showing you the
all access, which is $197 at most with your coupon code. I think it’s health fix or the health fix,
So, I have to check that.
25% off, so $100, $150, all of this information.
Now, for people who are only interested in one area,
like right now I’m on the emotional wellbeing,
those, you can just get one of these categories.
And honestly, most people don’t, it’s a lot cheaper.
And in a way, it can be beneficial
because otherwise it’s so much information,
which this is way simpler than most systems out there.
I hope you’ll agree in terms of being user friendly,
if you have each person rather being practitioner focused,
but it’s still just a lot of information.
So it’s actually, if you’re only interested
in blood sugar or if you’re a management anti-aging,
if you’re a management weight loss or whatever it might be,
sometimes it is a good idea just to get one of those
and just focus on that.
Or if you wanna get them all just ’cause it’s better value
or whatever, be disciplined with yourself
and just kind of focus on what I’m gonna category
at a time maybe and like, okay, first of all,
I’ll just go get my nutrients styled in, you know,
and then oh, then I’m just gonna look at detox,
so I’m just gonna look at weight loss or whatever it might be.
So yeah, I have a high density for obsessive compulsive
tendencies, this is fairly new, but not surprising.
I remember this especially with a kid,
I would be like, you know,
couldn’t step between the cracks and the pavement
and kind of stuff like that.
So I never had it like full blown, I don’t think,
but this tendency towards it?
Yeah, absolutely.
And that’s why it’s near the top there
when we talk about soil by risk.
The membership site, every single one,
you download and you get a full report with dozens of pages of information,
including a lot more scientific research, a bunch of citations, and a load of recommendations.
JANNINE: Nice.
Nice.
Such good stuff here.
I’m glad you shared it.
It’s good for folks to have a little insight in here and
be able to kind of just see like, okay, this is what you’re getting and
this is how to attack it too, just using your blueprint to be able to think it through.
If they’re not dealing with anything major, because if they are dealing with anything major,
to go to that first.
ELWIN: Yes.
Yeah.
Just focus on that category.
You know, like, weight loss is quite a popular one.
And you’ll see, I mean, we have a weight loss report and we have a tendency to regain weight
again, quickly report and kind of obvious stuff like that, metabolism.
But you can see in there, you know, leptin, which gets relates to hunger.
But you can see there’s other stuff in there that tends to be re.
I guess that’s obvious.
But you can see there’s other stuff in there that people wouldn’t think of, like, I’ve
put psychological trauma in there because we know that’s one of the reasons why people,
you know, have an issue of losing weight.
I put in stress or I put in oxytocin or insulin, insulin resistance, estradiol, metabolic syndrome,
undirective thyroid, you know, like all of these things can be the root cause as to why
you struggle to lose weight or why you gain weight easily or whatever, you know. And so that’s why
I think other people they might only have like the weight report, but we have dozens in there
Because it could be carbohydrates, right?
If you respond to carbohydrates, that’s something you need to know.
If you respond to polysaturated fat, that’s something you need to know.
If you have a tendency for low hypoglycemia, that’s something you need to know.
So, yeah, just another example of how it really gives all the clues to root causes that it can do.
JANNINE: Makes sense.
Makes sense.
Okay, Elwin, we got to tell everybody where they can find the rejuvenate blueprint.
And we can find where they can find all the genetic insights, information, and all of those details.
ELWIN: Thank you. Yeah, if you go to www.rejuvenateblueprint.com
and also my youtube channel, www.youtube.com/ElwinRobinson, just my name.
I have several videos there on the www.rejuvenateblueprint.
Several videos where I do more of a walkthrough of the genetics if you want to have more of a look.
And I kind of have topic based videos, so if you want to lose weight,
If you want more energy, if you have blood sugar and balance,
or any of that stuff, I’ve probably got a video guide
on how to help yourself with it.
Obviously, my preference is that you go and see
a practitioner like Jannine.
I usually say it in the video,
but I also want to help you to find
what kind of practitioner is actually going to help you.
So I often give that kind of advice
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And thank you so much for holding me on again.
JANNINE: Hey, my pleasure, Alan, it’s always a good time.
I have no doubt that we’ll probably have some more
to geek out on here soon.
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