Ep 602: Healing Lichen Sclerosus Naturally with Autumn McLees

In this episode of The Health Fix Podcast, Dr. Jannine Krause sits down with Autumn McLees to discuss her powerful journey navigating Lichen Sclerosus, a chronic inflammatory condition that affects many women but is rarely talked about openly.

After experiencing painful symptoms and receiving conventional treatments that focused primarily on symptom management, Autumn began questioning whether there might be deeper root causes behind her condition. Her search for answers led her into the world of holistic health, functional medicine, and lifestyle-based healing.

Autumn shares how her autoimmune diagnosis became a turning point—one that shifted her perspective from seeing her body as broken to recognizing it as a messenger asking for change.

Throughout the conversation, she discusses the dietary and lifestyle shifts that helped reduce flare-ups, the mindset required to stay committed to healing, and the importance of surrounding yourself with practitioners who focus on root-cause healing rather than symptom suppression.

Autumn also opens up about navigating new health challenges along the way and how staying proactive with nutrition, gut health, and vaginal microbiome support continues to play a key role in maintaining her progress.

This episode offers hope and practical insights for anyone struggling with autoimmune conditions, chronic inflammation, or unexplained symptoms, especially women who may feel dismissed or unsupported in traditional medical settings.

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Key Takeaways

• Lichen Sclerosus can cause severe discomfort and symptoms like tearing and irritation.
• Holistic approaches may provide additional tools beyond conventional treatments.
• Dietary changes can significantly impact inflammation and symptom flare-ups.
• Long-term management requires ongoing attention to lifestyle and stress.
• Healing often begins when we start listening to our bodies instead of ignoring symptoms.
• Functional medicine focuses on identifying and addressing root causes.
• Support from knowledgeable practitioners and community can make the healing journey easier.
• Awareness of food triggers can help prevent symptom recurrence.
• Vaginal microbiome health is an often overlooked piece of the puzzle.
• Sharing personal stories can inspire others to take control of their health.

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About Autumn McLees

Autumn McLees knows firsthand what it’s like to feel stuck in a cycle of searching for answers in a system designed more for symptom management than true healing.

After receiving an autoimmune diagnosis, she began questioning conventional approaches and exploring holistic alternatives. Through that journey, she realized her body wasn’t failing her—it was asking her to pay attention.

Today, Autumn helps others understand that healing doesn’t require perfection or permission. It begins with the courage to question the norm, clean up lifestyle habits, and seek out practitioners who focus on the root causes of illness.

Her mission is to empower people to reconnect with their bodies’ natural ability to heal and provide the tools, resources, and support needed to make lasting transformation possible.

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Resources & Links

Learn more about Lichen Sclerosus, holistic healing approaches, and the practitioners and tools discussed in this episode by connecting with Autumn and exploring functional medicine resources.

Autumn’s Website

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Podcast Transcript

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Lichen Sclerosis
02:46 Understanding Symptoms and Diagnosis
05:05 Exploring Holistic Alternatives
07:56 Dietary Changes and Their Impact
10:13 Maintaining Health Post-Diagnosis
13:05 Mindset and Motivation for Healing
15:15 Overcoming New Health Challenges
17:59 The Role of Functional Medicine
20:14 Conclusion and Resources

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Jannine Krause (00:01.556)
Autumn McLees, welcome back to the Health Fix Podcast.

Jannine Krause (00:08.952)
Well, I had to because I have had so many folks talking to me about Liken and just really being like, I need some help. I want to hear a story of someone that has been through it, can give us some insights in terms of lifestyle and what kind of things we might not be thinking about. You know, beyond me being like, well, I read that this cream works really well. So, you know, it’s just having some support for the ladies out there.

I’m so excited today to talk about what went down and all the things. So first and foremost, I think the biggest is sharing symptoms, because a lot of people who are listening may or may not know what happens to the skin when we get lichen sclerosis. So give us a little background, share whatever you wanna part, so you can start wherever you want on the story.

Autumn McLees (01:00.897)
Okay, sounds good. Yeah, lichens sclerosis. some of my first symptoms were a bit of itchiness and then vaginal tearing. Now, I was married about seven years into marriage at the time.

when all the sudden during our intimacy, I’m like, what the heck was that? Like what’s going on down there? Like you literally feel like there’s paper cuts and you’re just getting like all these micro tears. You can also sit on the toilet.

And just the sheer fact of sitting there and gravity and everything kind of settling. You can also experience what feels like some micro tears or just like these shooting, very tender.

you know, pains that take place in the vaginal area, it can also be in the rectum as well. So it depends upon the woman. So my story was this is taking place, right? I, mind you, I had come off of a cruise. So I wasn’t super health minded at the time. I am the type of person that can splurge and eat whatever I want and I don’t gain weight. Well, I splurged a lot on shows.

Jannine Krause (02:01.848)
Yeah.

Autumn McLees (02:34.832)
to find out we did tests I didn’t have a yeast infection this tearing sensation continued so I went to the OBGYN and I never bothered to look down there to see what was going on obviously he did and and you know he spotted some white patches which seems to be classic for this type of condition and he wanted to do a punch biopsy which is where they essentially take a little

sample of the skin and send it in and go from there. Got the results back. He said, you have lichen sclerosis, which by the way, my mom had it as well. Hers somehow ended up going away on its own. That was obviously many, many years ago. But he gave me a cream, a steroid cream and said, okay, here you go. Have a nice life.

the steroid cream when I’m looking at the side effects so conveniently says that it can thin you out, your skin out. I’m thinking there’s no way in heck that I am using this cream because I’m already thin enough to the point where I’m tearing and having these problems. I’m not gonna take the steroid cream and there was these other side effects, et cetera.

So I decided that I was going to seek out other holistic alternatives to see what could be done.

Jannine Krause (04:24.526)
my goodness. You know, one of the things that I hear from women a lot is like, yeah, I didn’t want to look down there. I was like, you know, we’re not taught to inspect ourselves much. And then we have all kinds of other things depending on our upbringing and whatnot.

Autumn McLees (04:39.326)
Yeah, now I check, now I know, and I’ve also become a birth doula since and know, gotten a little bit more comfortable with that whole concept, but I would suggest that if anybody thinks they’re having any sort of symptoms, know, take a look down there because it might clue you into what’s going on.

Jannine Krause (04:57.112)
Yeah, and if your partner’s open to helping you out, you if you have a partner that you trust, having them help you out, look and see what’s going on in there. my gosh, you know, just thinking through the pain and just, I almost can feel it from you and feel it when my patients talk about it too. It’s just, my, incredible.

And then when you think about steroid creams, and I think this is an incredibly important point that you brought up that a lot of people don’t know, that steroid cream’s well thin. Any skin, not just vaginal skin in general. And so that being the only solution, and I’m guessing like he didn’t bring up anything else, just steroid cream.

Autumn McLees (05:41.984)
No, just steroid cream. Here’s a cream. Have a nice life. We don’t know why you have this.

We don’t know what you can do about it, but expect to have it for the rest of your life. And part of my story goes that I wanted to have, I just come off from having my son via C-section. I wanted to have a vaginal birth with my second child. And I’m thinking, there’s no way this is going to happen if I can’t even be intimate with my husband, let alone push a baby out. spoiler alert, I had my vaginal birth and I didn’t even tear. And, but that is the power of

Jannine Krause (06:21.612)
And that’s exactly what I wanted to bring up today too, because I think a lot of people get to this situation and maybe they might look on, know, chat GPT now or, or grok or Reddit and see the horror stories of what people say or look into, you know, I call them forums, but they’re, Facebook groups or whatnot, you know, to see what people are saying. And, you don’t tend to hear the stories of the positive side and taking back control of, of your health. And I know that’s a big theme for you.

within your practice as well. Now, when you were like, all right, I’ve got this functional medicine doc, she’s not super familiar, but she’s got an idea. Where did you guys start? What did you start diving into?

Autumn McLees (07:06.145)
Okay, and I want to say just one thing before I delve into that is you’re so right on the groups, like the Facebook groups, because I randomly decided to join a Facebook group for like, ensklerosis to be able to try and share my story. And it’s almost like people are totally skeptical. Like I’ve got like a horn coming out of my head or something. They like don’t believe me. And I get it. Like that’s

the narrative that I was shared in allopathic medicine of like, well, this is not curable, so have a nice life, you know? So I just wanna state that, you I understand that those listening, that that’s a hard thing to struggle with of like, you know, we’re told this, in…

the holistic realm of things where we address things that more of the root cause. I, and I’m sure you, have seen so much healing take place, so much progress that can be made when it comes to our health in some of these conditions. So to answer your question, the first thing I do when I see her is she wants to run a bunch of blood work. Blood work that…

Autumn McLees (08:36.449)
And so ran a bunch of blood work, found that my ANA levels were apparently equal to someone with lupus. However, I didn’t have all the other markers and I didn’t have all the other symptoms. So clearly my body was not doing great and I was not tending to it well and I was not eating well and I was not, you know, being a good steward. So once she got that back…

then we evaluated and she put me on a diet that, well, the first part of the diet was a Candida diet. Are you familiar with a Candida diet?

Jannine Krause (09:16.366)
Mm-hmm, but share for the folks that may not be.

Autumn McLees (09:20.609)
So she went ahead and evaluated me vaginally and felt like based on what she experienced, I had a bit of Candida present. And Candida is a fungus that can come in and take over and overgrow. It has a lot of symptoms associated with it and it can be a bit of a pain in the butt. And it typically comes from eating too much sugar and flour and, you know, antibiotics and that kind of thing can also play a role when you

you disrupt your gut bacteria and there’s not a healthy balance anymore, the bad guys can kind of start to take over and they have a purpose there but you know we’re not doing our part in helping balance that out and so she recognized that I had a bit of that going on and so the Candida is really a Candida diet’s a really strict diet. It’s something everybody can go look up. I think it’s probably on Pinterest and you know it’s out there right. It’s basically no sugar, full

Autumn McLees (10:50.479)
coconut based or something. It was something unique to her, but we were doing some douches. And then was doing the Candida diet for those six weeks. I remember at the month mark, I stopped tearing. That was huge. So up until that point, it’s like, I don’t know. And sure enough,

Put it to the test for lack of a better word and stop tearing and I was like, Whoa, wait a minute. This is, this is crazy. This is mind blowing because that means that what I put in my mouth actually correlates with down South. That was a true epiphany, a mind blowing concept that I don’t think we really think much about.

how much it matters what we eat and consume can actually correlate with the most random places so that was the first successful point for me hallelujah the tearing has stopped so then after that candida diet was done

I moved into a diet, which by the way Candida does not allow any sugar, gluten, or dairy, okay? So then I was able to move into sugar, natural sugars like fruits and things, but still no dairy.

no gluten and I continued that for about another three months and that it’s not easy right you have to change your life you have to grocery shop differently

Jannine Krause (12:36.6)
Bye.

Autumn McLees (12:46.253)
you know, when you go to restaurants, you gotta find the workarounds and be mindful of that, but I stuck to it because I knew that if I had already seen what my body was capable of, which it had stopped tearing, that maybe there would be actual like further progress. so long story short, at the end of the four months,

I went and got blood work done. She did another evaluation physically and my ANA levels were just just like points away from normal. And and that’s that’s it in a nutshell. But. Yeah, I’ll let you open it up so you have questions.

Jannine Krause (13:24.182)
Nice.

Jannine Krause (13:33.162)
Sure, Well, of course people are always gonna be like, okay, do I have to be that strict? Because of course that’s always the question I get and my answer is always yes. The more strict you are, the more it is really gonna make a difference. And sounds like you are really adhering big time. Like you were like, I’m not messing around with this. I’m gonna do it like hardcore. Yep.

Autumn McLees (13:58.03)
Yeah.

Yes. And I knew because, you know, I tell people a lot of the times when they want to go the more holistic route, you know, you’re paying out of pocket usually for this with such practitioners. Don’t spend the money if you’re not going to do what they say to do. And that’s going to be hard things. You know, you’re not going to go to your regular doctor in the white coat and he’s not going to tell you to do these things that I was told to do. You’re never

going to hear that. I mean, if I don’t even think I ever went back to him, he’d probably be flabbergasted to see the changes, the physical changes, and to hear my story. They don’t hear that all that often.

Autumn McLees (15:12.716)
experience, you know, she did throw in some supplements. I remember taking some basic things like magnesium and some vitamin D and, you know, some basic supportive nutritional supplements. But, but diet was just everything. And I did, I did, she did suggest that I be mindful of my stress, that I tend to my emotional health.

And so I implemented that, you know. But it’s I think it’s the combination. Of being able to remove the interference of all the crap and other stuff I was eating that was not conducive, not helping my body. Certainly, I wasn’t coming up out of it. And when you completely shift all of that and you watch the terrain of your body shift and change, then you watch healing take place.

Jannine Krause (16:17.39)
That’s awesome. To just give folks a little bit of a idea of what kind of things were you eating? Because I think a lot of people always are like, what did you eat? You know, what did you, what did you, what were you doing? Like what were you eating big time before? Like giving a perspective of like what kind of things were like your jam before? And then what kind of things did you kind of start making like on the regular while you were through the diet?

Autumn McLees (17:28.948)
is that no matter what we’re diagnosed with, whether it be like in sclerosis or something else, something needs to change because the way we’re doing things is not working. Our body is not able to stay in a healthy state.

And so I switched, the Candida diet was obviously the most strict. I remember eating, come to think of it now, eating scrambled eggs and I think I could have, can’t remember if it was during the Candida diet or after, but scrambled eggs and avocado and salsa on my scrambled eggs.

I remember eating, she let me have rice. So I was able to get some of those rice cakes and almond butter and like have those as a snack. And then when I’d go out to dinner, I mean, there’s the whole farm raised salmon, right? But I would eat, I was probably at restaurants that, you know, it was farm raised, but my body was still able to heal on it, you know? So I would pick steak. She didn’t want me to have a whole lot of meat.

Jannine Krause (18:17.397)
yeah.

Autumn McLees (18:40.69)
She said like, I think one to three times a week, not too much. But I remember getting salmon and some rice and maybe some sweet potatoes. I don’t think I could have baked potatoes. So anyway, things like that, that I just stuck to and it was not fun. At times I felt like I would end up maybe like fasting through a meal, which

I’ve heard some wonderful things when it comes to fasting and like in sclerosis. So that might be something to consider as well. But I’m just being, being willing to sacrifice the joy of eating so that my body had a chance to change and heal. And that’s not, that’s not the concept that we’re all that familiar with in today’s day and age, you know, to actually set our taste buds aside.

And, you know, for the sake of allowing our body to heal. But I’ve seen great and amazing stories and testimonies of people that have overcome all sorts of conditions when they live not to serve the god of their taste buds.

Jannine Krause (19:55.594)
I like that. like that. So obviously I kind of put you on the spot with it being a while ago, but obviously we’ve come quite a few years forward from there. And it sounds like you didn’t do anything topical, just the douches. That was it. No creams, no nothing, which is impressive because that is where I’ve went with some of my folks. Now, in terms of maintenance going forward,

and moving into perimenopause and having a baby. Did you notice any flares after having your baby? And give us kind of like the year sense, what’s happened and how do you maintain, like what’s your routine?

Autumn McLees (20:44.436)
And that that holistic functional medicine doctor had recommended opening up part of a probiotic and putting it in your underwear. So if you’re struggling with lichen sclerosis vaginally, that helped immensely with the itching.

It’s a brilliant concept. So you can put as much or as little as you want. And I mean, it was magical how much it took away the itching. So, and it also kind of helps get some of that good bacteria into the places that it needs to be to help balance out what is clearly very imbalanced. After having my daughter, so yes, I went the four months.

I got pregnant a couple months after that. She said, you know, you’re a couple points from normal. Just, you know, stay, stay eating clean. And, you know, you have my thumbs up on getting pregnant. so conceived a baby.

had a beautiful home birth actually here at my house and it did not even tear and that was that’s what’s truly remarkable about this whole journey and it really built my belief in what is possible with the body how the body is made to heal if you can address the things that it needs and or the lack thereof

Autumn McLees (22:50.661)
it loses its flexibility and to know that my body was actually able to revert back and to actually push a baby out is pretty miraculous. Your question, I got too far off into birth, what was it again?

Jannine Krause (23:09.354)
it was more going into like what’s happened since in terms of maintenance. And so, I mean, I think, you you’ve kind of covered quite a bit. think more looking at like, now I have a different question because I think you covered it. I’m more like, okay, so no tearing whatsoever. Did you do any pelvic floor work, breath work, anything leading up to that?

Autumn McLees (23:39.412)
Mm-mm. Not for me. I’m not saying that it wouldn’t be helpful. I could imagine it probably would. But not personally for me. And you know, after I saw the power of…

Jannine Krause (23:45.667)
Yeah.

Autumn McLees (23:53.96)
what this whole experience was, this whole journey that my body healed. I couldn’t help but stay eating and learning to live as healthy and as clean as I possibly could. I didn’t want this to come back.

I woke up to a lot of things, you know, I ended up reading a book called Natural Cures. They don’t want you to know about it was like on this infomercial and totally funny because I like never even watch infomercials. I never buy anything from infomercials, but I brought this book. I woke up to all the things in our food supply.

You know, MSG and obviously all the dyes and things and thanks to social media now, because back when I was struggling with this, it wasn’t as prominent. You know, we have more awareness to this, but people need to actually implement it. You know, you have to be mindful and consider what you’re purchasing at the grocery store and maybe learn to look and identify some very toxic ingredients that you should not be consuming. So have I stayed perfect all these years? No.

I have not. And there has been a time or two where I felt like maybe something was starting back up, but usually for me, it ended up correlating back with I might be having too much sugar, even though it’s organic sugar or organic this or that, or maybe some dairy.

Dairy can be very inflaming for some people, you know, and some would argue all people, but apparently it seems to be a thing for me. Anytime I get too far, too comfortable with the dairy or too much sugar, I see that can kind of start. It’s never gotten to the point where it’s full fledged tearing and all the symptoms again, like what it was before.

Autumn McLees (25:52.389)
But but yeah, I’ve noticed it kind of start to creep in and I just switched my diet Add some coconut oil down there down south do the probiotic trick and For the most part. I know I know what to do

Jannine Krause (26:08.152)
I like the probiotic trick. I never would have thought about that. I would have thought that it would come out of the under and it wouldn’t get to where it needed to be, but I guess we do have some moisture down there where it could stick. Was there a particular, I mean, I’m asking you guys, I’m being kind of mean, because I’m asking her to go back that far. I don’t know if you remember what kind of probiotic, or if you feel things coming back now and you have, what probiotic do you use?

Autumn McLees (26:40.003)
I’m trying to think it’s a pink it’s a pink and white bottle. Yeah, gosh darn it. It escapes me, but it’s it is a good brand. This is not helpful at all because I don’t know the name. But anyway, it’s a pink and white bottle and it’s like got like good spores of probiotics in it. So it’s not a cheap brand. I probably wouldn’t, you know, go recommend to just buy a cheapo depo like buy a decent quality probiotic. And yeah.

Jannine Krause (26:44.918)
Megaspore?

Jannine Krause (26:52.526)
Fine.

Autumn McLees (27:09.933)
Try a little bit in your underwear and you know you can kind of pad it, pad it up in there, help it get up in and it works amazing. It’s great. That’s what it was. Yep. I’m pretty sure that was it. Yep. Yes.

Jannine Krause (27:20.214)
I like it, I like it. I’m wondering if it was Megaspore, like Megasporebiotic. Okay. Cause that one’s been around a long time and it’s one of my, like, I love that. I love that probiotic, especially when we need to reseed. I know we have the seed probiotic these days, but the Megasporebiotic was one of the ones I always thought about for reseeding. So, all right, noted guys. We’ll make sure we put this in the podcast notes. Don’t worry. Now, when it comes to, you know, mindset,

and taking back control, and this is something we talked a lot about in our previous podcast when we were talking about your health as a whole, and we were talking about all of the different things that you’ve experienced. With Lichen, what was one of the big things that you kind of kept in your mind all along? Did you believe, okay, I can do this, I can do this?

Autumn McLees (28:16.315)
The I will tell you Obviously the desperation to have a vaginal birth with my second child was a big motivator You know and I was ready and it had been three years and I’m like, okay, like I want to do this I need to do this. So Obviously that was a big motivator because I did not want another c-section. I really wanted to have that vaginal birth I would say that Yeah, you have to you have to

have a healthy, realistic mindset going into such discipline, changing your life like that. You know, I got a grocery list, I pre-planned some of my food and snacks. So it’s like, okay, this is what I can have.

And she was a big advocate for fresh herbs, for a salad every day, making smoothies with herbs. Like she’s just like herbs, herbs, herbs, herbs. She was big on herbs. And I didn’t always get that many herbs into me, but I snuck them in when I could. you know, to take on such a life adjustment like that is really, you need to plan ahead. And so that’s where

I’m figuring out my grocery list, my snacks, my go-to’s, whatever would be a treat. mean, they have like, they have, when I was on the Candida diet, they actually have like Candida diet desserts. So I would find something that I could make so that you can kind of feel normal, you know, and even though it’s not the typical, I get it. I get it. Like we, it’s hard. It is hard, but it’s also worth it.

got stronger and just it was such an empowering experience to see that okay all I did was feed my body these things and take tabs on my stress and make sure I’m drinking enough water and you know some of these is basic principles but it’s worth it and I came out of this experience realizing wow like my body really is powerful and wonderfully

Autumn McLees (30:37.132)
made. It’s God’s designed to be a self-healing organism, but you know, not if we don’t, not if we don’t give it what it needs. And so part of that is I had to look at reality, what I wasn’t doing. And that’s hard to do sometimes, but I had a good practitioner and you know, she kind of lovingly walked me over the head a little bit and be like, Hey, we can do this, but you know, you got to be willing to change because when you

Autumn McLees (31:51.409)
that I wanted to take on more than, you know, having this ball and chain and this struggle.

Jannine Krause (31:57.75)
Absolutely.

Well, it’s so important to have a why, right? So you had the why and you had multiple whys. One, not to have it come back because I think for a lot of women they’ll get desperate, but it is the hardest thing is to change, of course, the diet and what to do there. gosh, so incredible. Now, of course, know, folks haven’t listened to our previous podcasts. I want to give them a little bit of sense of you’ve been through more things since the Lichen and you’ve overcome them.

as well. And so give us a little bit background again, help us refresh our minds in terms of the other things you’ve overcome since Lincoln.

Autumn McLees (32:38.212)
Well, I am overcoming, we will say currently because this is another big giant that has come my way that I actually got off a podcast earlier today, sharing with a doctor on this whole narrative. yeah, like in the like in school, Rosas experience was my first experience with holistic functional medicine, where diet and supplements and lifestyle play a role in how you overcome.

Jannine Krause (32:40.685)
Yes.

Autumn McLees (33:08.426)
Whole new concept, right? You don’t just go and take the drug like you actually do the hard work. Well that set me up for the the giant of a diagnosis that came my way back four and a half years ago, which is this completely obscure radical absolutely insane diagnosis known as hepatitis C. Are you familiar with that?

Jannine Krause (33:33.835)
yeah.

Autumn McLees (33:36.677)
So imagine, Janine, like you getting diagnosed with this, you know, disease that is associated with those that do drugs, that have a lifestyle of drugs, yet you’ve never done a drug in your life. You’ve never even been drunk in your life. So it’s obviously gonna feel very, very curious as to how in the world something like this could take place.

Well, I am the alternative rebel.

Now, because of this experience and I’ve started a podcast and, you know, further just continued in growing my knowledge in this holistic world of health. And I’ve seen what’s possible and I’ve seen so many people heal from different things. I have come to a place where I’m like, you know what? I will always start in the holistic realm of things. And if medication is needed at some point, that’s the last option for me personally. This is my

Autumn McLees (35:29.592)
What it’s taught me is more ownership, more ownership in further refining my life. know, leading up to that diagnosis, guess what Autumn was doing? Autumn was sitting for hours every day at a computer, working way too hard, striving way too hard at a job and a goal. And it was not conducive to health. So even though like I

got my pantry figured out now and I got cleaner options. There’s still other components to health that we need to be mindful of. Was not exercising, was sitting there. And what I realized when I worked, Janine, is that I I worked so intensely that I ended up sitting there and like holding my breath while I work. So low oxygenation, a nightmare, right? Like setting up for disease for sure.

So, you know, once again, another chance to take ownership. So now what do I do? I get up every morning and I run. I’m not a runner. I’m like, one of those shirts that says if I’m running, like, it’s because something’s chasing me. But I learned to up and overcome that. And I learned eventually over like a year’s time, I can finally like run around the block. It’s kind of funny because I like have horrible cardio, but anyway.

doing that, doing the sauna, I’ve experienced all sorts of incredible holistic modalities, one in which I’m seeing an osteopath right now, the most incredible experience of my life, and it is having a beautiful, appears to be healing effect on my liver. And so yeah, so that story, there is more to come on that as I am currently overcoming this. But I appreciate you asking about that because, you know, just because we

Jannine Krause (37:45.23)
Nice, nice. I’m curious, of course, because you’re like, I’m working with the Nosteopath, these names, can you give us a little hint? And then of course, we’ll make sure we link to your podcast, because I’m sure you’re going to share there as things are going on. And I see on social media, you’re doing all kinds of stuff too, so.

Autumn McLees (38:02.505)
Yeah, like what specifically? Like what is an osteopath? Is that what you’re asking or what’s going on?

Jannine Krause (38:06.612)
No, no, what’s he doing? What’s he doing? Because I’m thinking osteopath and I’m thinking like rib adjustments. I’m thinking body work. I’m thinking, you know, those kind of foundations.

Autumn McLees (38:17.206)
Body work, so this is a very traditional osteopath. So first of all, I’m not talking about an allopathic osteopath. I’m talking about very traditional, like over 40 years in this, and he’s like the second or third person off that’s been trained from the original osteopath back from many, many years ago.

Autumn McLees (39:26.657)
skill that somebody has. you know, he was telling me a story of like when he first experienced osteopathy, the practitioner put his hand on his head, on his skull, and the practitioner identified that he had a rib out from just touching his head and his skull. Mind-blowing work. So, and like he tells me all the time like,

Tiger Woods, he’s like if Tiger Woods would just see an osteopath, he’s like, I know exactly what’s going on with him. I guess he’s like on his eighth surgery. I don’t know. I don’t keep tabs on golf, but he’s like, everything is from the knee down. If he would just see an osteopath, we could adjust this because this is what his profession does. He does the same thing over and over again. And so the body gets out of alignment and stress and other things take place. And, you know, he can also work on scar tissue. That was another thing that I wondered about with my

with my lichen sclerosis is because I had a c-section, your body’s supposed to flow like a river, right? And any scars, it puts a dam. And so I’ve had some neuro therapy to try and break up some of that scar tissue, working with this osteopath, you know, but it’s incredible work. He balances the body. He can manually manipulate and adjust things. He can kind of like energetically

Jannine Krause (40:56.67)
I love the traditional osteopath training. Unfortunately, not a lot of them keep with that, which is so sad because it’s incredible, all of the tools and definitely the craniosacral part of it. I’ve seen so much just incredible stuff happen just in that. so I’m hoping that some of the folks that are still going to osteopathic school, I don’t even know how much they even train on all the old school techniques, but I hope that…

They still do some of them because it’s so good. So good.

Jannine Krause (41:44.116)
I mean that the fascial tissue like all of it is just fascinating to me in terms of how they they play in and like you were saying You know sitting, you know hunched forward diaphragms not moving, you know livers not getting blood flow to it. All these things are Yeah, yeah, they’re things to think about and like you said with the the

Autumn McLees (41:57.233)
You got it. Exactly.

Jannine Krause (42:05.486)
C-section scar as an acupuncturist we constantly are working on opening up scar tissue neural therapy for those of you guys that heard her say that you’re like what is that I mean just neural therapy and of his stuff is something unique that We don’t have a lot of people talking about it and we should for sure Yeah, oh my goodness such good stuff here. I Really appreciate you taking the time to come back in share your story with us. I I

hope that folks who are listening, know, even if you’re not experiencing like ensclosives yourself, but you know someone who is or you know anyone that may mention it, send them our way to this podcast. But also let’s tell everybody about your podcast, how they can find you and what ones if you can think of like in general. I’m saying this and I’m like, I couldn’t recall any of my episode numbers to tell people. But anyway, ballpark.

And that way they can get a sense of where they can follow you and get more from you.

Autumn McLees (43:06.518)
Yeah. is Know Better, Do Better. And there’s actually a line in between the Know Better, Do Better, straight up and down. I don’t know what that line is called. But if you just type in Know Better, Do Better, I think there’s a couple other podcasts that you’ll see my face. It’s a teal, teal cover. Instagram is autumn.mccleese website, autumnmccleese.com. And I also do

Autumn McLees (45:08.688)
just about getting the right guide, doing the right things to support it, and believing that it’s possible. Thank you so much for having me, Janine. I love your mission. I love what you’re about. And I’m just thankful here to be here supporting you in it. So thanks so much.

Jannine Krause (45:15.918)
Thank you so much, Autumn, for coming back on.