Ep 527: Tapping Into Your Peri-Power with NNABI Founders Ej and Marina

Unpacking the complexities of perimenopause and empowering women to navigate this transformative time with knowledge, holistic care, and community support. In this episode, Dr. Jannine Krause interviews NNABI founders EJ and Marina about their personal journeys, their PERI-essential 5 supplement, and their mission to help women embrace their “peri-power.”

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• NNABI’s Website: https://nnabilife.com/products/peri-essential-5
• Instagram: @NNABI.life
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Podcast Transcript

TAGS:  Alternative Medicine, Chinese Medicine, Natural Medicine, Holistic Medicine,

2:55 – PERI – Essentials back story

12:14 – The formulation of PERI Essential 5

17:06 – Ej’s background

18:25 – Marina’s background

20:35 – Are supplements magic pills

21:16 – Importance of having girlfriends to talk to

28:35 – NNABI meetups for women

38:56 – Peri menopause

41:32 – What is working for Dr. Jannine?

44:45 – www.nnabilife.com – @nnabi.life

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Like how many things are happening in this sort of era or perry?

A lot of them are building either family, business or the career.

I mean, you name it.

There’s, it’s a very beautiful, I think, phase of our lives, actually.

But because this biological second puberty is hitting us, sometimes it’s

throw, throw us off.

But if you know what it is, you know how to manage it.

There’s something that you also discover during this time.

I’m not sure if it’s discovered.

or maybe it’s confirmed the right word,

just how important it is to have your girlfriends

by your side and be able to talk about these.

And if it’s not your girlfriend,

it’s maybe other women that you meet along the way

that are experiencing something similar

and that you’re able to share these things with.

– Welcome to the HealthFix podcast

where health junkies get their weekly fix of tips,

tools and techniques to have limitless energy,

sharp minds and fit, physiques for life.

Hey, health junkies on this episode of the health fix podcast, we’re going parry by

that.

I mean, we’re going to be talking all about parry menopause.

We’re going to talk about my personal experience.

We’re going to be talking about EJ and Marina’s experiences and who are they?

They are the founders of Navi.

Navi is a company dedicated to helping women move through parry menopause with ease.

And what they’re doing is they have a supplement line.

They have the peri-essential 5, which also comes in the peri-essential 5 with CBD, which

is my favorite.

Now, I’m not talking about any THC, just CBD.

I’ve had a lot of aches and pains over the years, and I can’t tell you how nice it is

to have that, but it also chills me out.

And so I’ll tell you all about it in the podcast as these guys go through things with me.

I’m really excited for this podcast because EJ and Marina are amazing gals just trying

to help some sisters out.

And that’s what it’s all about here.

So whether you’re in Perry menopause, you want to learn more about it, or you just want

to hear a great conversation about women talking about their experiences in life, this podcast

is for you.

Let’s introduce you to EJ and Marina.

Hey, health junkies.

I have the ladies from Perry, essential five, the supplement company that I have been testing

out to see what would happen with my perimenopausal symptoms.

And so I decided that EJ and Marina had to come on and talk with me.

So ladies, welcome to the health fix podcast.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Jay.

I see you.

Nice seeing you too.

It’s good to have everybody in the same place, but also so we can chat about

your product, but not only that, the story behind it, because for me, I’m always

curious, how do two gals get together and go? All right, I’m experiencing this. And you might be

experiencing that and we should get together and create something. So how did you two meet?

How did Pariessentials come together? Give us the scoop. Yeah, no sure. So Barry and I were

colleagues. We actually never really worked on projects together, but we worked for the same

advertising agency called J. Walter Thompson way back when it’s already dating us.

so more than 10 years ago. And so that’s how we knew each other. And over time, we kind of did

our own thing and we stay in touch and, you know, we meet and share life stories and we became

friends and lots of dinners and drinks and, you know, over time we actually became friendly. And

about four years ago, I started kind of thinking about wanting to do something to help my own

struggle with hormonal wellness. We’re really home on imbalance, really, that’s what it was.

And lots of acne, hair loss, and you know, there’s a lot of things I was

dealing with and I wanted to help myself. And that really was the beginning of it all. And then

once I was doing a lot of digging and exploring, I realized that women’s hormonal wellness,

that arena is complicated. They’re just a lot there. So by saying, “Hey, I’m going to help fix,

you know, my own hormonal wellness, I mean, it was just like one person, not even one person,

of like many things that women are dealing with. And I knew that from my relationship,

my friendship with Marina, that I know she also had her fair share of hormonal,

you know, wellness issue in her life. So combination, I always knew that there are

someone that I can talk to and then share stories. So once I’ve taken sort of my

commitment to wanting to do something in the hormonal wellness arena in mid-life, because I was

in my late 30s and early 40s. So I wanted to really dig deeper into what are the really

needs and that’s, I knew what my problem was, but again, I wanted to solve a more of a bigger problem

than just myself. And while helping myself as well, that would be great. So once I kind of

tinkering around, I was kind of talking to Marina about, you know, the things that we’re dealing with.

And that’s when we actually really stumbled upon Perimenopause. Both of us did not know about

Perimenopause. And I think that was sort of shocking moment, given how much we were struggling with

hormonal issues in our lives, we’re like, “What is that?” And then we’re like, “Well, what menopause

we heard about before?” Like, “Okay, women in certain age, you get there.” Yeah.

this pattern up as the word, we’re like kind of located, you’re like, there’s nothing really there.

And it’s funny because you and I in it.

What that moment allow us to really dig into sort of what does this look like?

What does this feel like? And also what are the solutions out there? And that’s when we’re putting

all of our sort of, you know, corporate experience together, looking at the marketplace, looking at

different various brands and solutions out there and looking at our, you know, sort of our experience

and our friends experience and combination and connecting all the dots and we concluded that, well,

parameter path happens to all women, happens much earlier than what we think in our 30s,

30s, last year, like 10 plus years, so it’s a very long station to be parking lot. And we didn’t

know anything about it. And there was not a lot of stuff out there. It was very confusing with

menopause. And it wasn’t right. So it’s not menopause, it was very confusing with menopause,

because they talked about it together. And all the solutions are also very parry slash menopause

when we’re like, women do not experience parry menopause menopause this way. You are either in

team parry or you’re in team menopause. You don’t do this at the same time. So why are the solutions

are very, you know, together.

So it felt like that was lazy.

And then the another thing that was shocked us

is how many symptoms that you actually struggled with

in perimenopause and menopause as well.

And a lot of the solutions are out there

are very just one symptom relief,

but then thinking, whoa,

women have to kind of stick with now 20 plus solutions

because you have multiple symptoms.

So we were thinking, how can we consolidate this,

streamline this and make it super clear so people who are in it, like we all are confused as hell.

How do we create a clarity? How do we create a bit more of the education so that they are not

in the dark like we were? So we started this journey about four years ago and it’s funny because

back before years ago, I mean, not that long of a time, but when we say Perimenopause to someone,

people like menopause, we’re like, no, that’s not the same. Now, boy, you’re a best for here,

Here we are today.

Thankfully, women are talking more about perimenopause and menopause.

And I think there’s also rising like dedicated effort to try to pronounce perimenopause,

which is really good to see.

We still have a lot of work to do as women’s health and the world.

But just we’re excited that this is finally catching on.

Yeah, it definitely is.

And you’re right.

last like four years ago, yeah, the hormone space and talking

peri. I mean, it would have been like crickets, right? But

but now we’re definitely starting to get moving forward. But I

think there’s definitely a lot of confusion still as to how to

address hormones. And what I like about your your supplements is

that it takes care of a lot of the symptoms that one may have

versus trying to target one thing or another thing.

And so you guys must have put your heads together

over some meetings and said,

okay, what do we put in here?

How do we figure this out?

Now, did you take collectively symptoms you’ve heard

or did you guys come together on what

you guys were experiencing first?

I know you have a team of advisors.

I know it’s not just the two of you figuring out things,

but nevertheless, we’re the first conversations

about the beginning of things.

Well, I can say that it was when we landed in Perimenopause as a stage and uncovering

that that was, it still is shocking.

And it still is very shocking even for women that are learning about it while they’re in

it, that some of the things that are happening to them have to do with hormonal changes.

So that was and still is a very big reveal around women’s health and around midlife.

And when we decided that we wanted to go on an impairment of pause basically because

we were in it and because there was nothing for it and it was not even conversation about

it, we were told good luck, you know, separating perimenopause from menopause when it’s already

so hard to be talking about perimenopause alone. So there was this belief that there was potentially

opportunity to educate not only about menopause and what happens, you know, when you get there

and afterwards in postmenopause, but the early stages after 35, when you can start experiencing

some of these things, some of these symptoms, as you mentioned, there are dozens of symptoms,

so so many and you know every day you hear about a new symptoms that’s connected with

these hormonal shifts that are happening and when we decided to develop a product we said we need

to develop something that is a solution for some of these things we did a lot of research and we

met with a lot of doctors and we got ourselves educated so we met with MDs and NDs and

OB genes, we met with, you know, just a lot of

acupuncturist, we met with a lot of people just really trying to understand

what happens to your body and what a potential solution could look like.

And when I say solution, it’s more support, you know, what are the things that you

could be doing to help yourself during this transition.

And one of the things that we learned was about the symptoms and really

trying to narrow down what are the most prevalent symptoms that women experience.

So that’s where we started.

And that’s it.

It was saying what we were seeing in the space was not only

perimenopause and menopause merged together as one thing,

as if it was the same.

But then also it was very fragmented

in the way that you would find solutions.

So you would find things for your gut or sleep trouble

or anxiety slash would or just anger joined

discomfort. So you would find different things and different solutions and it was not sustainable

for someone to be taking so many different things at the same time. So we thought it was

important to have something that felt more comprehensive. So that’s where we started.

And we did partner with naturopath and an herbalist and a physician just to develop the formulation.

So it took us over a year to get to the right formulation and then adjusted with a pharmacist

and also we tested it. So not only we looked at having very few very potent ingredients in the

formulations, there’s just six and the regular formulation is just six ingredients, but we looked

to have ingredients that were peer reviewed that were clinically tested. So there was evidence

around those ingredients being safe and being effective in specific dosages.

And then also we tested it.

So once we had the formulation, we partnered with a physician and we did an open label trial

with 30 of her patients during two months, excuse me, just to see how the formulation worked.

And it did really, really well.

And women felt the difference over the two months period.

And they self-reported feeling more rested,

more energized, calmer.

And we have a white paper that the doctors put together.

And some of those results are on our website,

if you want to take a look closer to everything

around results.

But we were very, very confident that we have done

due diligence, not only creating something that was very comprehensive, that was doctor formulated,

but then also that was really effective at supporting what was happening with some of the symptoms,

permanent-opausal symptoms. Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, and this is one of the things I like

folks to hear because we have a lot of companies out there now coming on the band wagon, right,

because it’s hot now. And we have a lot of companies who are just throwing products together,

and they’re throwing them together based on research, right, of what’s out there,

but they’re not actually seeing if it works in a human being. And this is one of the things I

like folks to really hear is that we spend a lot of time working on research that and

applying, trying to apply mouse research to human research, which doesn’t always work

as it turns out, where we are not little mice. So there is that side of things.

No, the other side I’m super curious about is because both of you have diverse backgrounds.

Did you learn anything from mom grandma? Did anything from cultural? Any backgrounds come in here

and anybody talking about anything or not so much? I mean, for me, actually, if I may actually just

add a couple things onto a screen of said before I jump into that call, a really good question.

So I think what often people don’t understand, and this is something we didn’t understand until we got into this and research so much, is when you’re taking multiple things from multiple providers, what happens is that you’re likely to under dose overdose certain things that you may not need or be helpful.

So this is also why we wanted to work with a compounding pharmacist when you put all

this ingredients together and not only synergistically working but also the optimal dosage so that

is actually working per the clinical study that each of these ingredients come with.

It comes with so that part but also we wanted to look at when we’re formulating the product,

we wanted to really look at the inside out like women as a whole body.

So again as Marina was saying like there are so many things are like oh you’ve got

trouble take this, your anxiety trouble take that, your sleeplessness take this, then you have so many

and then I think that really wanted to understand what is happening in perimenopause in your body

when you know when it’s happening. So, you know, unpredictable, erratic fluctuation of hormones

happening in perimenopause. That’s why we’re still menstruating. We still get pregnant. That’s

why unique. That’s not the same as menopause. And we learn through all this set of talking to

the doctors and interviewing them, there are really five,

essentially five areas that are impacted when all these hormones are doing its own thing,

which is your nervous system, digestive liver function,

blood sugar, balance, immunity, and inflammation.

Those five areas we wanted to help because that’s what they get disturbed.

That’s how we ended up selecting the medical grade herbs

them, you know, talking about so that we are being really

surgical about what areas that we want to help naturally. But

also, there are so many other herbs, right? If you think about

like the herbal world, there’s so many things out there. But we

wanted to make sure that if the herb, although you heard about

it for a million years, people have been using it. But if they

do not have a clinically proven studies or peer review studies

that we just did not use them because we wanted to make sure

that everything’s truly science back.

Going back to your question about culture,

for me, I’m originally from South Korea.

Growing up, I mean, being in a conservative world,

I lived in, people didn’t talk about women’s issue.

And Marina’s experience might be very different,

but something that I knew about menopause more frankly,

because there are certain characteristics when

you enter menopause that people talk about in media.

Oh, she’s gone mad or, you know, that rage and, you know,

like, damn, I’m Lewis, like jumping up the clip.

Like, I mean, all of a lot of these things,

I think you hear people either make jokes about it

or just referencing points and also just, yeah,

I just think that those are the kind of things

I knew what maybe menopause would be,

but I didn’t really know what it looked like.

And frankly, working on NNabi, I do look back a lot.

own my mother’s behavior. And now I do understand now I put the pieces together frankly like,

ah, this is what she must be, you know, dealing with at the time. But she and I were 30 years

apart. I didn’t know when she was in 40, I was in my teenage years and I didn’t know what was

going on. And frankly, I didn’t really understand it. But again, now finally, I’m understanding.

So I don’t know if there are enough.

Yeah.

I’d say that there’s this–

and I’m originally from Argentina, so I’m from Latin America.

And I’d say there is this just a boo around aging,

around just not being productive in terms of fertility

and having kids, and that you’re just

like using your youth and that feels very, very heavy.

Just acknowledging that it feels like a defeat at some point.

So even today when I’m speaking with my mom

or maybe my mom friends,

it’s just they would say like,

oh, it was just like nothing.

I didn’t even have hot flashes.

Or it was just like,

I didn’t get my period anymore and that was in.

So it sounds just like very, very light and very easy.

And I do think that there’s, you know,

just like, I think that there’s less education

around other things that were probably happening,

but they would not connect with perimenopause and hormones.

And then just that acknowledgement of aging

and, you know, not being young anymore,

not being beautiful anymore, which is not true,

but it’s just culturally where you live in

and how you fit.

So I do think that there’s something about that

that makes it harder even today to talk about those things.

– I agree, I agree.

I think we all are kind of in the same age range.

My family didn’t talk much about it.

I’m Polish in background and my mom unfortunately passed

before I really had much of a conversation

extended with breast cancer.

And so some of this background, you know, that our age range now, because it’s starting to come out in the next four, you know, I think a lot of women are looking to the younger generation and how we can support our children, how we can support, you know, family members in understanding what’s going on.

And one of the really big things you said, Marina, earlier was, you know, looking for support versus a solution because I think that a lot of people have the misconception.

And I definitely want to pick your guys brains on this, that when you take a supplement, you are everything’s going to go away.

Like, oh, you’re going to be out of peri and your life is going to be, you know, magical and you will not have another symptom ever again.

again. So I would love to hear what you both mean by so far.

We have a very strong point of view around that. And you’re talking about, you know, support.

And there’s something that you also discover during this time. I’m not sure if it’s discovered,

maybe it’s confirmed the right word. Just how important it is to have your girlfriends by your

side and be able to talk about these. And if it’s not your girlfriend, maybe other women that you

you meet along the way that I are experiencing something similar and that you’re able to

share these things with because it gets crazy and it gets tough and just having that outlet

and other soul that you can share things with that they can just relate. It’s so important

because if you have a partner that’s a man, you know, and it’s really hard, or your children,

like it’s really hard to understand what you’re going through without experiencing it. It’s

one of those things. So it makes it way easier and funnier and just like liveable to have those

other female souls that are supporting you and you’re supporting as well. And you know community,

I’d say, and female community is such an important thing in this stage. You know, as a medicine,

you know, as a solution for symptoms and for going through perimenopause. And then to your

question is just like no, you need to really evaluate your life and what you’re doing during

this stage to attune, to what you’re thinking and feeling and experiencing in your body and just

understand what are the things that will help you get through it because it’s not one thing that

will do it. There’s different things and every woman will know what will work for them. So it’s

not one size fits all. Everyone you know what works for me probably is not the same thing that

works for EJ and so on with other women in our in our community. So we do know and you Dr. J,

you know this as well just how important exercises and moving your body and if you’re able to lift

or not or at least you know go out for a walk and have some you know just that that me time and

nutrition and really nourishing your body during this time with things that you know will support

you and will make you feel better and avoiding those those things that you instinctively you know

by taking them you don’t feel good about like for instance I had to cut alcohol and that’s

something that I’m not you know having that um glass of white wine maybe you know every night

before dinner just to unwind because that doesn’t help me. I don’t mentalize alcohol well anymore

and then I feel like crap. And then as EJ was saying, you know, supplementing and having

something that will support different areas of your body during this time, it’s important,

but it’s not the only thing. So we have created something very comprehensive,

but then there are other things as well that you could be taking and you could be also taking

HRTs, that’s something that you decide to and you’re a good candidate. So there’s plenty of things

that you should be doing and evaluating and trying just to see and figure out what works best for

you and what works maybe at the beginning might not work as well and you need to adjust as you go on.

So it’s just really an important time to, you know, attune and tune in and listen to, you know,

what you’re expecting. It’s a journey I think, right? It’s not a one pill, take it,

oh, your headache’s gonna be gone or like stopping your diarrhea. That’s not approached in Perry at

all. You know, Perry is a station that we’re gonna be in for a very long time. And that’s why

this is when we learn like 10 plus years, my goodness, can we can you imagine like navigating

that in the dark for so long? Like obviously you don’t want that. And I think what we’re trying to

to contribute to is minimize that circling time,

because women are spending a lot of money, time, and effort.

And they do end up getting very disappointed

and frustrated, right?

Because it’s hard to find that program.

And there’s no civil bullet, we say,

but by educating women so that they’re all the ways

that you can think about helping yourself.

Eventually it has to be the person

really advocating for her own health and well-being

and then work with the right people, experts,

in her community and define the ultimate program.

But what we always say is what used to work for you in 20s

and even early 30s are not gonna work for you.

So time to change your strategy.

And you have to really look at it again, your whole self.

And this like, yeah, take a pill, like, you know,

that culture is just not gonna work well at that mindset.

And, you know, we believe in smart supplementation,

absolutely, but we really do believe in holistic approach.

So along the way, if something like what we put together

is works for you, like amazing.

But also we know that, you know, everybody’s different.

Everybody’s different.

So work with your experts and find the right doctors

and experts to come up with a program that works for you

that holds 360.

So it could be, you know, even just like a sleeping, right?

Like finding your own schedule.

That doesn’t seem like a very big thing,

but I know that that’s something

actually makes a whole lot of difference,

like stuff like that.

So really thinking about your program entirely differently,

and now we’re getting into this new era,

I think it’s really important.

We want just women to understand

what is happening in our body.

Nope, you’re not alone.

There are ways you can help yourself,

and we really want women to know that.

So that’s really for us is what’s driving us

on a daily basis doing this.

And then, you know, having a good product obviously

is also amazing, but yeah, at the end of the day,

how do we bring more women to open up, realize?

And hopefully, you know, as you said,

the younger generation,

hopefully by the time they get here,

it’ll be a little bit more straightforward for them.

That’s what we hope.

– Oh my gosh, me too, me too.

And you know, the parent name of your company,

NNABI to me with a butterfly, it means butterfly, right?

In Korean.

Yes.

And so looking at that, I’m going,

okay, how does a butterfly get here, right?

We have to go through a metamorphosis.

And I love that kind of concept

because I’m thinking with women,

you know, if we could approach this

in the thought process of we are having a metamorphosis.

And like Marina mentioned, we are different.

It’s not just that we’re gonna fix this

and then keep the same balance, it changes all the time.

And so I love that idea of calling the company Nabi

because it’s a metamorphosis as such

that we’re going through.

– Yeah, and I mean, the positiveness also, right?

Like that aspect.

I mean, it comes with pain, right?

Anything beautiful actually comes with pain.

And but what we want to really through NNabi,

we want to convey this sort of the vibrancy

and looking at ourselves and the energy, ambition,

and the love and hope that we have

in everything we approach and we do in our lives.

We know there are a lot of women like us out there,

and we just want to bring that out and celebrate it.

– It’s beautiful, it’s beautiful.

And I’ve noticed that you guys are doing some like meetups.

I saw something in New York City.

Am I seeing this correctly?

You’re doing some of these?

You’re trying to get ladies together?

– Yes, yes.

– Yeah, yeah, well, go ahead, go ahead.

– The more we have opportunities to connect

with more women in this cohort, it’s always helpful.

And because this is something a lot of people

don’t even know even if they’re in it like us,

how we caught ourselves are like, oh, you’re in peri,

you’re in peri too.

So this actually been a bit of like exploratory process.

And also because when it comes to your body,

it’s a very personal matter, it’s private.

So I think what’s been really valuable for us

is having very intimate settings too.

Of course, we go to more of a bigger conferences

and things like that too,

but it’s been very nice to get together

with a group of women.

And when you see that, like the relief on their face,

like, oh my God,

I wasn’t the only one feeling like this,

or it’s really, it makes us feel really good,

knowing that because that alone actually helps you,

you know, that whole normalizing conversation piece,

like knowing that you’re not the only one and I think that really is a good starting point.

And then once people open up, then we get to compare our symptoms, our experiences. What are

you trying? What are you trying? And you know, also talking about doctors like, oh, this person was

really helpful or not. And a lot of this comparing notes is kind of where we get really, you know,

I think there were a lot of women walk away feeling like not only I have new friendship,

but also have a lot of information to help me navigate this period that felt like a very mysterious

to them. Yeah, we’ve definitely made friends in these past years since we’ve been out doing

these events which started very organically and intuitively and just to talk about this.

And then we saw how much needed just generating this space is critical just for everyone to

to be able to talk about things and to ask questions

and to share their stories.

And we also saw that women are very eager to,

if they feel that it’s a safe space,

they are eager to share, to ask questions,

to be curious, to learn more and to be vulnerable.

So all those things make us want to keep doing this

and just doing more events.

And besides IRL events, which we’re in New York,

So that’s mostly where this happened.

We do webinars, so we might have you on our end,

just doing a webinar with you, Dr. J.

Just learning from experts

and how to better navigate certain aspects

of Perimenopause, and it could be from

really specific medical things to career shifts

and things that happened during this time.

So it’s very broad.

We’re very interested in being able to support ourselves

with education and also our community

with knowledge about what happens during this time

and really looking beyond the physiological of your body

and how it works and how it’s changing,

but also how that is impacting,

like even ripple effect, other areas in your life,

like your relationships and your work

and your desires and aspirations and dreams.

And it’s broader than just hormones,

but it’s definitely all those things happening

during this time, which is important to acknowledge

and to be able to provide support.

– But I think that’s the thing.

We don’t talk about, like,

let’s talk about perimenopause.

We never start conversation like that.

It’s more like, usually like lately, I cannot stand blank.

They, you know, catch myself doing more of blank.

And then that usually creates a bit of like,

Oh, you too.

I feel the same way and whatnot.

So that’s usually how we start the conversation

and that leads to really the why.

Like how do you sum this up?

That you go crazy or you become a different person?

No.

Actually, fundamentally there’s a shift inside of us

that is happening for a good reason

and being able to put a bit of a definition, if you will.

I think that’s been really what’s exciting for all of us

because like everybody walks away from like, oh wow, okay, I get it now.

Having a bit more understanding of like those change and why it feels certain way.

It is important also we’ve done our own research.

And even as we found that many women know about perimenopause and they knew

about perimenopause and what it means and that’s a stage, et cetera.

They were not aware that many of the symptoms that they were experiencing

and why they were feeling not well,

maybe sometimes miserable, was related to hormones,

was in fact perimenopause.

So there’s this huge gap in understanding

that perimenopause is impacting areas of your life

and of your health, that you’re thinking

that that is your lifestyle,

that you’re not getting enough sleep,

that you’re tired because just like work

or just different things that are not,

that you’re not connecting to hormones.

So we really need to, you know,

bridge that gap and make that gap smaller.

Even, you know, the dream is to make that gap disappear.

So you, you know what it is.

You’re not blaming yourself and you’re not feeling miserable

and you have a name for it, which is very menopause.

And then you can do something about it.

And there’s, you know, so much to be done there,

which is the starting part, you know, it’s the starting point,

just then to move into, okay, considering other things

or even think about adjusting your lifestyle

or making other decisions.

So really start at the beginning

with knowledge and education.

– It’s absolutely, absolutely.

I mean, that’s exactly what I’m thinking in this case.

And you guys have a wonderful blog too,

kind of like how you relate,

these same kind of questions.

And this is what I find we need

is the conversation starters.

because I think a lot of people are afraid to say like,

it just wanna run away from my family.

Sometimes, you know, or some of these things,

or they’re like, I just would really like

to take a solo vacation and maybe never come back.

But you know, there’s–

– Well, I’ll have to go to vacation right now, by the way.

– Five.

– That’s what she’s doing right now.

– Like just, you know, you’re bringing that up.

I really felt that I needed four days to recharge

and just wind down because I was very, very exhausted,

just leading towards the end of the year

where all these amazing things happen.

It’s end of the year.

So you really want to have the energy

and the presence just to enjoy them.

So I did take a few days off,

just, you know, solid vacation just to recharge.

So yeah, it is very important.

It’s the first time I’m doing that, I feel.

– Okay, there’s a next block for you right there.

– Yeah. – But you’ll revolve this.

I feel like breaking some law or something,

but it’s, yes.

– Right, right, that’s our next talk.

– I love you very young kids home with their dad,

which is amazing and takes very good care of them,

but still, it’s just like breaking with those things

and just allowing yourself to feel tired

and to feel the duty-serve and just do it

wherever you can go, just to rest.

So yeah, I’m feeling replenished and very happy.

– Nice.

– Nice.

Well, I’m glad that you took a couple of minutes out

to hang out with us today and talk through things.

But that’s, you know, these are the things

that I love to hear about is just the side stories, right?

And what we’re up to and the different thoughts we have

and the different ways we’re dealing with things.

And that’s where, you know,

periessentials comes in.

And like I was sharing before for me, you know,

I do use bioidentical hormones and I’m mixing it with that.

And of course, lifestyle stuff too.

But we have the CBD version, we have the regular version.

And I was sharing how I absolutely love the CBD version

because I feel chill.

It takes the crazy down for me.

– Yeah, for me how I use it is I mix and match.

So start the day usually with the regular,

but then I end the day with actually CBD version.

Or if I know that I’ve been,

I have a pretty intense day coming up,

then I mix both like one regular one CBD.

So that just helps me with a bit of that mental space

and body probably too, but it’s been good.

And also a couple of my friends for taking CBD,

I think from an inflammation

and also a bit of that extra Zen factor,

they’ve definitely been benefiting as well, just like you.

So it’s been good, it’s been good to see.

And actually I do have a good friend

who’s postmenopausal and she goes,

“Hey, Ej, I’m desperate.

I’m looking for something.

I know that your product is for Perry,

but you know, can post-menopause.

I’m very pissed post-menopause can I take it?

And I explained to her, of course, you know,

the body in Peri, the body in post-menopause,

not the same.

You want to think about your heart and your bone health

as you get older, but what we have is adaptogenic herbs

and you know, it will benefit you.

And of course, making sure you’re supplementing

with other things and then she was like,

this is like life-changing.

And she ended up doing this like,

full on like review on her Facebook and Instagram.

I mean, like she was just like, she couldn’t hold it.

But it’s, I think that’s kind of where we’re at.

I think women are looking for something.

There are too many things out there is almost like,

it’s hard to know what is for you.

So you have to kind of try it.

And then, you know, we have obviously as human tendency

to trust who we know and then what we hear.

So I think that given the we are relatively new brand,

I think it’s been great to have this early on,

all the fans, if you will,

that people are believing us and coming back.

And I think that’s been good.

And also the word perry, so peri menopause, right?

It’s really peri in Greek means like near.

So like near menopause, right?

So it’s a terrible name.

So what we’re trying to do is also this

by redefining what peri menopause looks like in our era

and for also the future, the people who will be experiencing this.

We are emissionist, when we say, oh, she’s so peri.

We want that parry to be like adjective.

That means like she’s a badass, she’s amazing women

that you wanna hang with.

And I think that’s kind of how we want to change

that conversation so that it’s not like peri menopause.

Like no one wants to really attach themselves to that,

It’s like peri and then changing up and give it a little life to it.

So like she’s peri that means something.

And that’s why we’re pronouncing as a company.

Peri, look at this woman in like 35 to early 50.

They are not only four out of 10 breadwinners in USA.

And also like 30% of I think the women, the entrepreneurs who want businesses

are actually women, you know, older than 30, 35, I think. So

they’re just looking at a lot of different things like how many

things are happening in this sort of era or peri? A lot of

women are building either family business or the career. I

mean, you name it, there’s, it’s a very beautiful, I think, phase

of our lives, actually. But because this biological

second puberty is hitting us, sometimes it’s throw

throw us off. But if you know what it is, you know how to manage it. On top of that, you have a lot

going for you because all this experience that you’ve had, right, until this point in our lives,

all part to you. And that’s why we’re very much focusing on the peri power that,

what is your parry power? And, you know, trying to use that as a way to really talk about us and

all the things. I know that everybody has the ambition and we are always working towards

something and we want to just say kudos and so I’ll look to that and encourage each other to succeed.

Whatever that version is because everybody’s definition of success and dream and hope is different,

right? So not only just the verbal supplementation that we do but we also want to give it that

peri the essence and you know something that means so much more so that women will be ultimately

proud to say yes I am probably peri. I love it we’re so Perry yes peri.

I’m curious, I’d like to hear from you Dr. Jannine what has worked for you in peri menopause what are the

things that you’re doing that have worked for you because I’m sure you tried you know different

things and you you have something that has worked so I’m hoping to get some good advice.

Great question, great question.

You know, I, the number one thing is, is taking here the nervous system.

And I’m glad you guys acknowledge that in your formula.

For me, I self-described anxious, right?

And hyper.

And for me, it’s been really realizing I’ve got to slow down a little bit here

and like let things kind of shake out better versus trying to multitask.

Like I used to do like a crazy woman, you know, pull all

for job stuff and creating stuff.

And really that was one thing.

The other one is looking at the moon cycle

and actually cycling my life with the moon.

That was like number two, game changer.

And tell me what you do with the moon.

Like, oh, you cycle with the moon.

– So I’m looking at where my period comes up

within the moon cycle.

And then I’m scheduling my days around,

Like my weeks, like, okay, periods happening,

that’s my time to be present with people,

that’s the time to get out and do PR stuff.

And then the second part of the cycle,

which the second half after ovulation,

this is where I’m looking inward,

I’m reflecting, not making any big decisions.

So that kind of thing, it helped me to kind of

take a little down to the crazy that was happening

in my mind and spinning.

Spinning was a big deal.

So those are probably my two also finding joy play,

having fun, this has been a big time for me to look back in and be like, okay,

who am I now?

Who wants to come out and play?

Who’s pissed?

You know, because we put career and all that ahead, you know?

And so that’s really been probably the biggest things for me.

And then, you know, your guys, this formula really has helped me kind of just,

I feel like it’s taken the next notch and like I said, I do the CBD one.

And yes, I use, I use progesterone and I cycle in estrogen in the first half of my cycle to just to kind of get a little bit better of a balance because I was having a lot of pain.

And so, and love to tumeric and all it has, but it just wasn’t kind of doing the trick.

So I mixed in first half of the cycle, estradiol, then switched to progesterone.

And then I have the periessentials on top of it and l-theaning if I need it.

And that’s kind of been my main base along with like creatine and some of the

muscle stuff for lifting because I like to weight lift.

So yeah.

Amazing.

Yeah.

It’s a playbook.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

And that’s where, you know, I think today our biggest thing we can, can help

ladies with this, like you have to create your own playbook.

Don’t follow anyone else’s plan to the T because we’re all different.

We’re all different.

Yeah.

100 percent.

So important.

So ladies, we got to tell everybody where they find you, where they can find if you’re in their

area, like if they’re in the New York City area and you’re doing an event or if you’re going somewhere

else, where you may be. So give us a scoop on the website, give us a scoop on where folks can find

you and we’ll make sure we get that out. Yeah, so www.nnabilife.com. One word, nnabilife.com.

That’s our main website. You can check us out our stories and our ingredients,

formulation and the products. And then also we appreciate if you could follow us on Instagram

@nabi.life. And Navi with two N’s and NAB. Yes, very, very important there. And of course, guys,

you’re listening to the podcast, you get a special discount cross 20. If you’re looking to try

out Parry Essentials. You can try the CBD version. You can try the regular version. You can get both

and mix it up like EJ mentioned. Good stuff there. Gosh, EJ Marina, thank you so much for coming

on and sharing and thank you so much for helping ladies go Parry and feel good about it.

Go Parry! Go!

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